Shadowdoom9 (Andi)'s Forum Replies

I'm not in the Guardians, but here's something from my earlier epic metal era, a nice classic from the masters of symphonic power metal:


Killer modern groove metal with elements of melodeath and thrash. Even though the band was banned from performing live in my home country, I still think they're not too bad in terms of controversy, so..."SEE WHO GIVES A F***!!"


Arch Enemy? I haven't heard that name in years... Maybe someday I'll try listening to some more of this band again. Female-fronted melodeath at its best!


I still don't see the Within Temptation cover album The Q-Music Sessions. Please add when possible. Thanks!

I'm not in the North, but I miss my earlier epic folk metal taste, when I used to listen to the more epic stuff like this:


Cool lists, Daniel! Please do the same thing for 1987, 1988, and 1989, if you have a lot of thrash metal favorites from those years.

Didn't think I would forget about my favorite band Trivium, did you? Another one of my favorite Trivium songs other than "In Waves":


I'm not in the Pit, but Nevermore knew very well how to blend together power, groove, and thrash metal in their first album, before their subsequent progressive metal albums.


A song from one of the greatest and most influential progressive death metal albums ever! And it inspired the name of one of my favorite progressive deathcore bands.


Another example of early Tiamat when they were still death-doom, but here they're more death than doom with a black metal vibe.


Day 2 (The Daily Sh*t)

Utter screaming ridiculousness. The band must've been drunk as hail when they made this:


Day 2 (The Daily Sh*t)

This is too much of a psychedelic metal ballad-like track that doesn't help the original controversial album production by Kelly Gray. The lyrics, melodies, and atmosphere are still good, but the style and production is what makes it a real flip-off.


Can you please also put Vektor's second album "Outer Isolation" in the Hall of Judgement with the proposal of adding it to The Infinite while keeping its existing position in The Pit? Same reasons as the ones for "Black Future" and "Terminal Redux" (more progressive in nature, as much progressive metal as thrash metal). Vektor is progressive and thrash in all their albums!
I both agree and disagree with you, Daniel. The first half of that song starts off a soft power ballad before switching into the cheesy progressive rock cringe-fest. But the second half has some decent technical thrash that makes this song half-enjoyable. I think the song might work better if it was split into a 2-part suite; part 1 would be the progressive rock ballad and part 2 would be the technical thrash song. So if you want to enjoy "Collapse" enough to bring the album score back in 4/5, just cut out the first half. Easy!
Oh, seems like I forgot about the HammerFall, Children of Bodom, and Arch Enemy cover albums. But it's good to make sure, right? No wonder some cover albums aren't in the site, they aren't metal! The Within Temptation and Between the Buried and Me cover albums actually have at least one metal genre in their RYM primary genre list (Symphonic Metal for the Q-Music Sessions, Progressive Metal and Alternative Metal for The Anatomy Of), and some songs from both albums such as WT's covers of "Titanium" and "Dirty Dancer" (2 of my favorite metalized pop song covers, both in my earlier epic metal taste and in general) and BTBAM's covers of "Blackened" and "Cemetery Gates" (2 of my favorite covers of other metal songs) still sound really metal. However, the Dillinger Escape Plan and In Flames cover EPs are both labeled just Alternative Rock and, sadly but truly, that sounds about right. And yes, Burn the Priest hasn't been added yet, but their cover album is for when they do get added. So please take the time to add the cover albums that are metal but not added yet, along with Burn the Priest, while you're adding other bands. No need to rush. Thanks Ben!

Totally agreed.

Neoclassical goregrind!?! Didn't realize that's a thing...

I agree too, Ben. However, some other websites don't. For example, Wikipedia has enough sources that say genres like symphonic black metal and symphonic death metal are subgenres of symphonic metal as much as black metal or death metal, and they stay in the symphonic metal article, "so a user looking for variants of symphonic metal will find them within the article about symphonic metal." But I respect your thoughts and prefer NOT to start a great debate with other sites about what counts as symphonic metal. Also I cancelled this request for a new submission.

There are some bands in my playlist that each have at least one cover album but aren't in the site yet. I'll write a list of cover albums to add, but in a separate thread since they're not all in The Pit. List coming soon...

Ben, please add some albums from Lamb of God's former name Burn the Priest:

Burn the Priest - Pit/Horde

Legion: XX - Pit

By the way, have you ever considered adding cover albums? Sure, all those cover albums have are just...covers, and some people here (such as yourself) are not really fans of covers. But some cover albums are an essential part of their respective bands' discographies, and there a few covers from those albums that are as popular as their other singles. It's almost a shame that they aren't included in this site. So if you agree to start adding some cover albums, I'll give you a few to start with. Deal?

Pretty good and accurate! Can't wait to see the rest...

Who the hail are you and what have you done to one of my favorite Bleeding Through songs?!


I'm not in The Pit, but Lamb of God released a cover album with their original controversial name Burn the Priest. Boy am I glad this earlier name is just for this album. Lamb of God is their real identity!


For a song titled "Laser Speed", it's really just boring acoustic Latin jazz/bossa nova elevator music.


I'm not in the Fallen, but...behold, the worst song to ever exist in a metal album!



I don't feel Septic Flesh (they will always be Septic Flesh to me, regardless of their recent change to Septicflesh) should be in The Guardians. Similar to the way Fleshgod Apocalypse should not in any way sit alongside Iron Maiden and Helloween, Septic Flesh just don't fit there.

If we had a subgenre called Symphonic Death Metal, then I'm certain that Fleshgod Apocalypse and Septic Flesh would sit comfortably within it, and once again it would not be a subgenre of Symphonic Metal.

Would anyone not find it weird if Fleshgod Apocalypse's Agony album was in the top 10 Guardian releases (it never would be, but I'm sure you get my point)?

Quoted Ben

Mastodon makes some really mesmerizing progressive metal! Be careful not to get hypnotized by this visualizer:


Day 2

Another melodeath classic! Why isn't Edge of Sanity credited as one of the Swedish melodeath pioneers?


Yeah, I have quite a wide time range of metal for a young metalhead born in the late 90s, from as early as the early 90s to the present day. Maybe someday I can go deeper into the Metallica era (mid 80s), but I'll keep my time range at 3 decades for now.

Roses are red, violets are blue. BTBAM was metalcore back then, yes that is true. Now they're progressive death metal, get those metalcore theories out of there you!


I'm not in the Fallen, but remember when Tiamat used to be death-doom, instead of their current gothic rock/metal sound? Good times...


December 06, 2019 11:07 PM
Not too bad, but resembles too much of the first wave of glam metal that was starting to take shape that year. Another good choice, Daniel!


Just wondering if it would be possible to submit releases to The Hall of Judgement that don't have a metal primary on RYM. Personally I think that Blood Ceremony's debut not having a metal primary, despite sounding like Sabbath jamming with Ian Anderson and Grace Slick, is a travesty and would like to be able to submit it (and others like it) for consideration by the more metal-savvy users of Metal Academy.

Quoted Sonny92


I think it's possible. I made the same request about two Avantasia albums, The Wicked Symphony and Angel of Babylon. I'll help you put it in an official judgement submission.

December 01, 2019 07:13 AM
I wasn't originally thinking of creating a RYM account, but I created it because album cover artwork with nudity, violence, and other inappropriate stuff are blocked from viewers who don't have an account or logged out. NOT that I'm a fan of any inappropriate cover art, it's just a little annoying for me to not see all the album cover art. But OK, good idea, SilentScream, I can do some ratings at that site, and there's gonna be a lot of good ratings! I added you on that site too. Hail The Horde!!
December 01, 2019 04:35 AM

Wow, SilentScream, we're really seeing eye to eye in this thread! I know you directed that last comment to Ben, but yeah, that Everything Counts cover really flows perfectly in both the music and the lyrical theme. It's not really my favorite song in that album, but it still makes a smooth connection, and I think this is vocalist Anders Friden's first partial attempt on clean singing. Way better than their cover of Wicked Game, showing once again that the band's melodeath past reigns higher than their alt-metal present!

November 30, 2019 11:26 PM
Yeah, I agree about In Flames' cover of Wicked Game. That's the second-worst metal cover for me, and it would probably be #11 or #12 in my sh*t-list. HIM's cover of Wicked Game is way better, even though HIM is more rock than metal.
November 30, 2019 09:32 AM

A few hidden tracks are OK for me, but the ones I hate the most are bad enough to make the top 5 in my sh*t-list (see above). I like covers that metalize popular songs, but cover albums where the band purposely tries to sound like each song's original style (Between the Buried and Me's The Anatomy Of and The Dillinger Escape Plan's Plagiarism) are kinda mundane and, that's right, PLAGIARISM, though NOT bad enough to make the top 10 in my list. I still think Avatar's South Park cover is the worst metal cover...

November 30, 2019 08:08 AM
I agree with what you think of Septicflesh's "Underworld Act 1 & 2" (plus Act 3 and Finale). Throughout their Fallen Temple album, you might think that they would have their usual epic gothic/death metal sound, but no, they just have like 8 gothic/death metal songs and then put a few lengthy symphonic stage play tracks in different places! I prefer the more recent albums that put orchestra together with death metal each song, rather than separating those two styles with each song having only one of them. I should've put the entire "Underworld" suite in my "sh*t-list" instead of one of the songs from their industrial-goth album Revolution DNA. "Underworld", my a**!! Good list, SilentScream!

Another revised version of my top 25 favorite metal albums (including bands I've previously forgotten about and bands I've just started listening to):

#25: Parkway Drive - Horizons (2007)

#24: Septicflesh - Codex Omega (2017)

#23: Paradise Lost - Draconian Times (1995)

#22: Before the Dawn - Rise of the Phoenix (2012)

#21: Nightrage - Sweet Vengeance (2003)

#20: In Flames - The Jester Race (1996)

#19: Mastodon - Leviathan (2004)

#18: August Burns Red - Constellations (2009) 

#17: Edge of Sanity - Crimson I+II (1996/2003) (both work better as one full 2-part suite)

#16: Tiamat - Wildhoney (1994)

#15: Ne Obliviscaris - Portal of I (2012)

#14: Persefone - Spiritual Migration (2013)

#13: Cynic - Focus (1993)

#12: At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul (1995)

#11: The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity (1999)

#10: Meshuggah - Catch Thirtythree (2005)

#9: Darkest Hour - Hidden Hands of a Sadist Nation (2003)

#8: Amaranthe - Amaranthe (2011)

#7: Bullet for My Valentine - The Poison (2005)

#6: Gojira - L'Enfant Sauvage (2012)

#5: Between the Buried and Me - Colors (2007)

#4: Nevermore - Dead Heart in a Dead World (2000)

#3: All That Remains - Overcome (2008)

#2: Lamb of God - Ashes of the Wake (2004)

#1: Trivium - In Waves (2011)

Interesting to see Before the Dawn's Rise of the Phoenix, Persefone's Spiritual Migration, and Septicflesh's Codex Omega in there! A few more albums that I should've put in my list! Another better revised version of my list coming soon with those albums and an album from another band I became interested in, so stay tuned. Great list, SilentScream!

November 29, 2019 08:02 AM
"FX" was apparently the result of Tony Iommi's crucifix hitting his guitar strings creating an odd sound, followed by the band adding an echo effect to the sound and hitting the guitar with various objects. And yes, they were smoking hash at that time. I think we can agree with Iommi when he called this song "a total joke". Another good choice, Daniel!
Cool list, Tymell! Wow, that's a way more diverse mix than my metalcore, death, progressive, gothic and groove metal.

Here's my own top 10 best metal albums of the decade, including a few of the albums from the MS list:

#10: Underoath - Ø (Disambiguation) (2010)

#9: Mastodon - The Hunter (2011)

#8: The Dillinger Escape Plan - One of Us Is the Killer (2013)

#7: At the Gates - At War with Reality (2014)

#6: Meshuggah - Koloss (2012)

#5: Between the Buried and Me - The Parallax (both albums) (2011/2012)

#4: Amaranthe - Amaranthe (2011)

#3: Ne Obliviscaris - Portal of I (2012)

#2: Gojira - L'Enfant Sauvage (2012)

#1: Trivium - In Waves (2011)

November 28, 2019 09:34 AM

"Lick Doo" is indeed a pointless doo-wop hidden track. And finally, a song here that isn't an under-a-minute track, "Path of Destiny". I'm sure a lot of long-time Equilibrium fans are wondering about their new album "Where did their melodic folk metal sound go??", but "Path of Destiny" would've had some potential as an OK modernized Equilibrium song if the Butcher Sisters didn't butcher it with their rapping. Good choice of songs, Daniel and Shezma!

November 26, 2019 06:16 AM

Another new member Steven is really doing his part in filling up those less dominating clans. Check out Steven's clan list!

Welcome, SilentScream!

I'll be checking out Parkway Drive sometime today, starting with "Wishing Wells" and "Boneyards". This will be rather interesting to choose which side am I on, my brother's alt-metal side or the strictly metalcore side or probably both. Good recommendation, Shezma!

I haven't listened to Parkway Drive yet, but my brother (who is usually a heavy/alt-rock/post-grunge listener) was listening to that band the other day and he suggested I listen to one of their songs, "Wishing Wells" from their new album Reverence, in which the band heads toward a classic heavy/alt-metal sound. I got a metal recommendation from my alt-rock-loving brother! I'll put that band in my list of bands to try listening to someday...

There are many awesome metalcore bands but here are a few I would recommend to fellow Revolution members, listed below. If you haven't listened to them yet, you should. But if you already listen to them, well done!

Trivium

The Dillinger Escape Plan

Unearth

August Burns Red

Bullet for My Valentine

Bleeding Through

Born of Osiris

Betraying the Martyrs

Between the Buried and Me (before 2009)