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The ultra-rare Nucleus demo by progressive-thrashers Vektor is finally found! Check it out for the band's earlier songs at their original form:
Thanks Xephyr, but I decided to PDF to JPG converter instead of Adobe. Then again, I think using the original PDF version is better because it's much less messy than flooding the thread with nearly a couple dozen pages. We'll see how it turns out when I try the JPG way...
Not gonna lie, Okyr's Premorbid Intelligence is definitely gonna change the future of classic progressive metal, and I recommend it to many progressive metal listeners and fans including fellow Metal Academy members Ben, Daniel, Shezma, saxystephens & Xephyr. New guy in the site, the band's bassist Jean Elias would absolutely appreciate your support. Okyr's album is a practically unknown masterpiece that deserves to be heard worldwide!
My thoughts on some of the tracks (including my suggested ones):
Ayreon – “Isis & Osiris” (from “Into The Electric Castle: A Space Opera”, 1998)
11/10 (not exaggerating). There's no better way to start this playlist with the beginning of a journey...Into the Electric Castle!! Ayreon was a special band during my high school years (not that I ever was in high school). That project along with Dream Theater were my gateways band to the Infinite realm of progressive metal. For that I say... Thank you, Arjen Lucassen! This is one of the greatest progressive metal pieces to appreciate. While this isn't the first album in the Ayreon project, Into the Electric Castle is the first to include not only members of more popular Dutch rock/metal bands but also from bands from a few other places outside the Netherlands. This has helped those vocalists and musicians take them further into their path to fame and would help younger artists follow the path. This can help you travel through the stars and learn more Ancient Egyptian mythology. Even after giving up on this group during my grand switch out of my earlier melodic epic metal taste, I still amazed at this masterpiece. Many of the vocalists sing their own characters but it's as if they're the ones telling the stories instead of narrator, especially Fish (Marillion) who plays the Highlander. The last album I've heard from Ayreon was The Source which was a greater album for me because during my great metal taste switch, while I was saying farewell to many of my biggest progressive/power metal influences, one of the other vocalists indirectly directed me to another progressive metal band in the extreme side (Tommy Rogers (Between the Buried and Me)). Yet after all these years abandoning Ayreon (except a couple album reviews), this song is still one of my favorites from the project and helps maintain its legacy. I would definitely wanna hear another Arjen Lucassen/Sharon den Adel collaboration. Since cats are attracted to Egyptian music, do you think if I have a pet cat, it would enjoy some parts of this song? Hmmm... Even the album cover drawing can draw me in. Forget Yes, Ayreon is true progressive music. And wow, 22 years after its release, this song is now on radio! This Spotify radio playlist, that is. I really enjoy the clean production, amazing arrangements, and a great plethora of melodic vocals. I'm pretty sure my friends and family would've had no knowledge of Ayreon if it wasn't for me finding them. I still can't believe this album came out so long ago, back in 1998. I think the instrumentation alone might've inspired non-metal artists like Brunuhville. And another connection with The Source is when in that album The Prophet mentions a "castle deep in space". Cool callback! So dump your Madonna and Phil Collins and try this epic. Thank you Arjen for this project, and thanks Daniel for including this song.
Leprous – “The Price” (from “The Congregation”, 2015)
8/10. Addictive and groovy and one of Leprous' most compelling songs, but The Congregation is the album is where the band is transitioning out of their avant-prog metal past to their accessible progressive rock present.
Pain Of Salvation – “Ashes” (from “The Perfect Element I”, 2000)
10/10. Pain of Salvation is another one of the more melodic progressive metal bands that first helped developed my journey into the Infinite realm. "Ashes" is another perfect song from a timeless masterpiece album! Once again I still love it even after giving up on this group during my grand switch out of my earlier melodic epic metal taste. This is quite a haunting song reminding me of a more progressive take on Type O Negative whose bassist/vocalist Peter Steele is one of metal's passed legends along with Death's Chuck Schuldiner but that's beside this point. The spine-shivering voice of Daniel Gildenlöw is a little strange but has great passion. You can practically mouth the lyrics! This is quite an awesome heartbreaking song. I'm starting to miss my melodic prog-metal phase from nearly 6 years ago, back in my "high school" years. The vibe is violent yet emotional. Similarly with Ayreon's The Source, I have not been in touch with Pain of Salvation since after listening to In the Passing Light of Day, another album of absolute perfection that made me grateful about Daniel Gildenlöw surviving the life-threatening flesh eating bacteria he suffered a couple years before that album. The chord progression of this song can be a little repetitive but it's dusted aside by the song's advantages including some of the best vocals that I've heard during my phase back then, which might remind OG prog-metal fans of Geoff Tate. Beautiful! The turn into the new millennium was a great period for this band along with Dream Theater who released their own concept album a year before this one. If you thought Daniel Gildenlöw was so young in this album, you should've stuck around 15 years before when he was in middle school and in a band called Reality. Anyway, I'm glad this song is on a Spotify playlist (this one) for a good amount of Spotify metalheads to hear. I love and dark and heavy this song is. It's times like this when I wish I can go back to that phase, but I guess it's too late now. I guess you can consider this a love song in the midst of a duel between God and Satan. I also miss when Daniel Gildenlöw's brother Kristoffer was in the band, he's quite the bass king. Its album's concept deals with sexual abuse, and I think I was handling heavy concepts slightly better than when I was first listening to After Forever's Invisible Circles. I was starting handled different heavy scenarios, and they were addictive. The Perfect Element would later have its own sequel, Scarsick. I thought my interest in this band was over after In the Passing Light of Day, but I guess I'm still there. I have two Daniels to thank; Daniel Gildenlöw for this creative music and Metal Academy's Daniel for including this song.
Fates Warning – “The Apparition” (from “The Spectre Within”, 1985)
9/10. Because of how great I think of the first 3 more melodic progressive metal songs in this playlist, I decided to listen to a song from a band that I've only listened to for an album review and never got around listening to more of them because of how old the band is, back to the mid-80s. "The Apparition" is very good and beautiful with some of the best progressive metal lyrics to reflect upon. This is a deep classic I love and might give me some slight influence for if I ever start my own metal band in the future. An amazing marvelous song, which even though the vocals can sound a bit stressed is helped out by the riffs. A progressive metal classic for the OG listeners!
Seventh Wonder – “The Black Parade” (from “Mercy Falls”, 2008)
10/10. This is from a concept album about a victim of a car crash who ends up in a mysterious world within his coma. You would have to listen to the album yourself to know the full story because I ain't gonna spoil it to you here. Its epilogue, "The Black Parade" starts aggressively before adding happy melodies. The chorus and keyboards are just epic! Perfect ending to a perfect album!!
Dream Theater – “The Ytse Jam” (from “When Dream & Day Unite”, 1989)
10/10. The true highlight of the debut of progressive metal masters Dream Theater. Some might call this the best progressive instrumental since Rush's "YYZ"! The memorable opening riff is exciting. There are some Arabian melodies along with great soloing. The bass is very audible and enjoyable.
Protest The Hero – “All Hands” (from “Palimpsest”, 2020)
8/10. In this endearing eccentric progressive metal tune, Protest the Hero's technical proficient arsenal shines through with the band's incredible ability on the harborside to engage the listener through the arrangement that never gets overwhelmed. Great song, but personally I would choose their epic single "The Canary".
Symphony X – “Nevermore” (from “Underworld”, 2015)
10/10. Symphony X was another of my favorite epic progressive metal bands from 5 or 6 years ago. This song and "Kiss of Fire" are my favorite songs in their recent album Underworld, having the note-tapping guitar skills of Michael Romeo and the monstrous drumming of Jason Rullo, the latter suffered heart failure a couple years before this album but I'm glad he survived. The lyrics and vocals combine perfectly with the guitar. The theme of this album is inspired by inspired by Dante's Inferno and Orpheus in the Underworld, and this song heavily references the number 3 used by Dante; three syllables, a three-note melodic phrase, and three references to three songs from the band's third album, The Divine Wings of Tragedy. Too bad it's not the album's third track, but almost everything else about this song is perfect and never disappoints. Though the lyrics are a little cliche, it helps keep the band's exciting throwback to their old stuff. Holy sh*t, this is great! The day Underworld came out was a great day for me. And I say "H*ll yeah" to the intro/outro riff! Even the bass does great progressive justice. With Underworld having masterpieces like this song, it's a shame they didn't record a live DVD concert during the album's tour, though they probably would have if it wasn't cut short by a year-long hiatus for Russell Allen to spend some time in his other band Adrenaline Mob and injuries he sustained in vehicular accident involving that band. Anyway, I noticed that this song was blocked in the Spotify playlist, but hey, that's what this album and YouTube is for! Symphony X is so underrated that I would be really happy if a future artist considers this band their influence. After the first royal metal generation of Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Dio, Symphony X should praise as metal's second generation royalty, unlike bands like High on Fire who think bicycles and drugs would give them royalty which...NO. It would be great if Symphony X perform live in my country. The band's awesome vocalist and brilliant musicians inspired me to keep believing in metal. Epic kick-A progressive metal, though I miss their early-2000s orchestration. Keep the good stuff coming Symphony X, you never disappoint me!
Solstafir – “Kold” (from “Kold”, 2009)
9/10. This is the title track of an album that I recently loved so much that I plan on getting the rest of the Solstafir discography soon. It crashes you through an icy wall of power chords while the tortured vocals of Aðalbjörn "Addi" Tryggvason wander through poetic delight. A superb song, though it's not at all like the grand epic progressive metal masterpiece that is Symphony X's "Nevermore".
Nevermore – “The Sound Of Silence” (from “Dead Heart In A Dead World”, 2000)
10/10. Speaking of Nevermore, you gotta check out their cover of the Simon & Garfunkel song, "The Sound of Silence". Who knew you can turn it into a death metal-sounding progressive/thrash tune with drilling riffs and a wonderfully gloomy theme!? That's what Nevermore did here!
Meshuggah – “Future Breed Machine” (from “Destroy Erase Improve”, 1995)
9/10. This great chaotic song is from the album that very well began piecing together the progressive subgenre djent. It starts with a bit of an apocalyptic atmosphere that sounds like robotic machines taking over the world; industrial noises for almost 30 seconds, then a piercing siren over a total headbanging onslaught. The djent knights rise!
I did a review, here's its summary:
From the northern island of Iceland comes the band Sólstafir! First starting as a pagan black/viking metal band, they soon began to shed away their North sound for a style more ambient and thematic. In this album Köld, the bleak coldness still remains while blowing into the imaginative landscapes of post-rock/metal. This is pretty much haunting black-ish post-metal, a bit of sunshine glowing in the peaks on depressive winter valleys where the band's home sound runs through every phrase and tone. 8 tracks, many of which are around 8 minutes plus a 4-minute hit and two 12-minute epics, thoroughly create a compelling journey through an environment of pale empty space. Köld is a brilliant album of haunting immortality and the finest hour for Sólstafir. A superb recommendation for fans of post-rock/black metal!
5/5
A killer song from Opeth's last metal album:
Another excellent album! 5/5. Cheers for the rec, Daniel!
Now before I start my thoughts on some tracks (including my suggested ones), I'd like to point out that the tracks I'm gonna list here are ones that I haven't listened to ever since my grand switch out of my initial epic metal taste, so my opinions for that songs might be a little... outdated? After all, it is tough for me to get back in touch with a big part of my metal interest I abandoned almost 3 years ago. And thanks again Daniel for a great playlist and accepting our suggestions. Anyway, onto my track thoughts:
After Forever – “Digital Deceit” (from “Invisible Circles”, 2004)
8/10. Hello again, After Forever! This song is very good, but the concept of its album Invisible Circles was pretty heavy for my symphonic/power metal taste 6 years ago, centering around quarrelsome families and psychological child abuse.
Epica – “The Imperial March (Live)” (from “The Classical Conspiracy”, 2017)
10/10. Meanwhile, former After Forever guitarist/harsh vocalist Mark Jansen's band Epica is having fun performing their own songs plus playing covers of famous operas and movie soundtracks, that show becoming part of their 2009 live album The Classical Conspiracy. They take on one of the most popular pieces from the Star Wars soundtrack and converted into epic heavy headbanging assault with no mercy. It is at the two and a half minute mark when they reach their epic peak. Total imperial genius!
Dark Moor – “The Dark Moor” (from “Dark Moor”, 2003)
9/10. I consider this song Dark Moor's theme because it's the title song of their title album and a great starting point for any first-time listeners of this band, which is a good reason to suggest the song. It's an absolute masterpiece. It doesn't reach its true perfection due to some spooky parts like at the 3 and a half minute mark (Gollum, what are you doing here?!), but the final verse and chorus that start at the 7 and a half minute mark remind you of what an amazing epic this is.
Twilight Force – “Hydra” (from “Dawn Of The Dragonstar”, 2019)
10/10. Twilight Force is, along with Gloryhammer, the last band I've listened to in my original epic metal taste before my grand move out, and that was in the turn from 2017 to 2018, so those two bands I've only listened to for a few months. And apparently I've skipped out on a lot since then like this new album Dawn of the Dragonstar. I kinda regret missing this album because of epic this song is! Another thing that has changed is the vocalist. After Christian Eriksson (Chrileon) left, he was replaced by Alessandro Conti (Allyon) whose previous band Luca Turilli's Rhapsody split up. Wow, a lot has changed from during my time away from epic metal! Conti's accent might make the lyrics a little hard to understand, but that doesn't matter as long as the song has its epicness. The music sounds like it was written by Conti in his time with Luca Turilli's Rhapsody but ended up getting used for this album, and it could make a good anime opening theme or another one of John Williams' soundtracks. The band still has their strength picked up from their previous album. The music is epic with gorgeous orchestration, so is the cover art that reminds me of Magic the Gathering. And holy sh*t, that nice melodic guitar solo is amazing! Twilight Force is probably one of the most orchestral/classical focused recent metal bands. Hail Twilight Force!! HAIL HYDRA!!!
Dragonland – “Starfall” (from “Starfall”, 2004)
9/10. Dragonland is probably the first ever power metal band I've listened to besides DragonForce and its spin-off band Power Quest. This is another great representation of power metal that deserves some play in other radios.
Blind Guardian – “Mirror Mirror” (from “Nightfall In Middle-Earth”, 1998)
10/10. My favorite Blind Guardian song, an epic kick-A tune from one of the greatest Middle-Earth themed albums on Earth! André Olbrich's guitar in the chorus is absolutely killer, so is the vocals of Hansi Kürsch that tell Lord of the Rings movies as greatly as those movies. This was a great song during my late teen years to help me "find a path out of the dark". This album's a year older than me and it's still going strong. It might even go well with some D&D games. I really miss those fantasy metal days, sounding as great as it did back then. Even the cover art is pretty epic. HAIL BLIND GUARDIAN!!!
DragonForce – “Through The Fire & Flames” (from “Inhuman Rampage”, 2006)
12/10 (not exaggerating). This. Is. It. This is the one song that completely started my metal interest. DragonForce's "Through the Fire and Flames"!! If it wasn't for this song, or for my dad and brother both finding it, I wouldn't have been interested in metal, or maybe I would via a different song. Yes, this is indeed my own metal "big bang" (NOT the K-pop boy band, the universal beginning I mean). From the intricate guitar lines and solo plus strange Pac-Man noises to the amazing vocals and fantasy lyrics, this song has burned away my horrid radio-pop future and replaced it with a glorious metal one. And I can't believe it was just 8 years ago when it all started. So thank you DragonForce, along with my dad and brother (the latter's birthday is today so it's a nice gift). Also thanks Daniel for helping me piece back together my epic metal taste and adding this song into the playlist. Once again you really saved the best for last!
Thanks Daniel! ...I guess.
My thoughts on some of the tracks (including my suggested ones):
Cult of Luna – “Finland” (from “Somewhere Along the Highway”, 2006)
10/10. This over 10-minute marathon is an exhausting yet spectacular post/sludge metal adventure! This epic is so organic and different from pretty much any other piece of music I've listened to. Heavy and clean parts weave all around in as many twists and turns as you would find in Isis (side-note: I listened to and reviewed one of Isis' albums, and even though it was great, I ended up feeling nothing and gave up on them shortly after). Anyway, the heavy bits aren't too massive, but definitely have draining production, raw distortion, and drenching emotion in an overwhelming combination. The production is no mistake, it has big passion. Fantastic!
Draconian – “The Apostasy Canticle” (from “Arcane Rain Fell”, 2005)
9/10. Also a massive 10-minute marathon, this one being a gothic doom anthem with more of the deep impressive growls of Anders Jacobsson, and barely any sign of Lisa Johansson's fragile voice that sounds almost like an early-teen girl in a depressed suicidal funk. There's still some of the mood-killing narrations, but not as many is in some other tracks in that album Arcane Rain Fell, so that's acceptable.
My Dying Bride – “She Is The Dark” (from “The Light At the End Of The World”, 1999)
8/10. This slightly shorter but still great death-doom track starts with the riffing going from eerie to aggressive back and forth, with Aaron Stainthorpe singing in the softer parts. Those doom legends know how to excellently mixed the tempo up and down in this song. There are great riffs and melodies from the guitars present along with keyboard atmosphere, all that along with the returning harsh vocals bring back memories of Turn Loose the Swans.
And on a different note... DANIEL!!! Did you just sneak that 37 and a half minute track "Natasha" into the playlist?!? Isn't that kind of a cheat?! Nah it's OK, it's your playlist, you can add what you want! ...Along with our suggested songs, of course. Besides, this playlist works almost as well as a typical album but double its length; a good amount of songs in typical lengths plus a supermassive epic finale. I can change the tempo to be 2x faster!! Just kidding on that last part...or AM I?? Anyway, as always, great playlist, and thanks for adding our suggestions!
I did a review, here's its summary:
After 2009's Axe to Fall where the band enlisted a small deadly army into a ferocious battle of metalcore malevolence, the tables have turned in this album All We Love We Left Behind. Converge left behind their mercenaries and went on their own quest to summon their signature intensity. Converge has been known as true masters of metalcore and its abstract subgenre mathcore. There are a few softer songs thrown in here and there, but other than that, All We Love We Leave Behind is one of the greatest non-melodic metalcore albums packed with chaotic songs that help the band show the true meaning of American metallic hardcore. Converge still reign as one of the greatest metalcore bands still living. Long live the true kings of metalcore!
5/5
I did a review, here's its summary:
After the speedy Walls of Jericho, the Keeper of the Seven Keys albums took the band's influences from the mid-80s eras of Iron Maiden and Judas Priest and refined them with a fantasy twist, still shocking the metal scene for over 3 decades. O.G. power metal fans would never skip any song in the album, though I definitely would skip two of the songs here, "Rise and Fall" and "Dr. Stein", both of which are outright cheddar cheese that hasn't aged well, and the sound effects aren't worth it. A couple other songs, "You Always Walk Alone" and the bonus track "Save Us" aren't that great in quality but still OK. But all the other songs are excellent power metal classics that are what make Keeper of the Seven Keys Part II a great start for power metal. I can see how it changed the world of metal music, but I might not give another spin until say a couple years later if I somehow have a big taste change back to classic power metal. Just ignore those "meh" songs and you have an essential power metal classic album in your hands!
4.5/5
3 suggestions??? D*mn, I have to kill some darlings from my original suggestions list. OK here's the new edition of my list of suggestions for September's Fallen playlist, please choose any of these songs:
Draconian - "The Apostasy Canticle" (from Arcane Rain Fell, 2005)
My Dying Bride - "She Is the Dark" (from The Light at the End of the World, 1999)
Type O Negative - "Creepy Green Light" (from World Coming Down, 1999)
You'd think that a highly regarded live album from Leprous would include a ton of tracks from Tall Poppy Syndrome and Bilateral, but it's almost the opposite, with most of the tracks coming from The Congregation or Coal. I really do wonder if Leprous no longer plays anything off of Tall Poppy Syndrome just because Einar isn't able to do the harsher vocals he did in the past.
Yeah they really should've played some tracks from Aeolia, Tall Poppy Syndrome and Bilateral as a more proper farewell to their early metal style, but the only songs from that earlier era that were played were two of the weaker and more forced tracks from their third album (including the demo). I guess if they were to play songs from their earlier albums, Ihsahn would have to help Einar with some of the harsh vocals.
I just gave that Leprous live album another listen and a review. It was indeed one of the greatest, most mind-blowing progressive live releases ever, but I feel like some things make the album a little empty, like for example, the absence of the over 10-minute epics from Aeolia and Tall Poppy Syndrome that would've made a more proper farewell to their earlier metal style. Oh well... Anyway, here's the original of that grand finale piece of progressive metal:
My thoughts on some of the tracks (including my suggested ones):
Amaranthe – “Afterlife” (from “The Nexus”, 2013)
8/10. I love Amaranthe, and this song exemplifies everything you want from the band. Sharp guitars and massive drums are taken to different levels by trance keys. What really stands out is the triple-vocal approach. The combination of the female singing of Elize Ryd, the male singing of Jake E. Lundberg, and the screaming of Andreas Solveström are something you would never hear from another band. This cyclone of sound makes you want to turn into Sonic and beat up Dr. Eggman's robots through the wind and light.
Bullet For My Valentine – “Tears Don’t Fall” (from “The Poison”, 2005)
10/10. A definite highlight for a couple reasons. First off, my brother was listening to this song during the beginning of my heavier modern metal phase and it reminded me of "Riot" (from Temper Temper), NOT similarly, but made me think of that song I was watching its music video about a year prior. The other reason is the instrumentation; very good riffs and great lyrics like in previous songs. The bridge gets much faster and worth headbanging, then in comes the blazing solo. Best song by the band ever!
Trivium – “In Waves” (from “In Waves”, 2011)
12/10 (not exaggerating). My favorite one from this album and possibly of metalcore in general. It starts off with an Ascendancy-like metalcore breakdown with Matt Heafy repeatedly screaming the name of the song, then it leads to a melodic Crusade-like chorus. There's also a complicated solo in the middle, but other than that, the riffs are simple yet catchy. That's what I like! During my original epic power metal taste a few years ago, I found the music video for the song "In Waves" on TV, then about a year later, the friend I told you about in my first forum thread introduced me to a heavier modern side of metal starting with this band. For that, I owe him big-time!
Darkest Hour - “For The Soul Of The Savior” (from “The Mark Of The Judas”, 2000)
7/10. This song begins their first album in a vicious bang. The hardcore-like breakdown rules, but nothing worth a twist. I chose this one because it's one of their most popular songs from that era and an easy one for listeners to get interested in the band. I probably should've added the re-recorded version with the guitar solo by Kris Norris.
Converge – “My Great Devastator (from The Poacher Diaries” split album with Agoraphobic Nosebleed, 1999)
8/10. A great devastating math/metalcore hit. The big problem is, I'm not a fan of split albums because then one of my favorite bands get paired up with a different band, and that other band is either relatively unknown or a band that is known but I'm trying to avoid it. This other band fits the latter category, grindcore grinders Agoraphobic Nosebleed. I just wish Converge would release their own half of The Poacher Diaries as a separate EP with a less explicit album cover.
August Burns Red – “Defender” (from “Guardians”, 2020)
9/10. One of my favorite metalcore songs of this year! It has fantastic drumming charisma. When that song was released as the first single of the album, people found different stuff that might end up in the album, such as a couple brutal breakdowns in the second half of the song. That shows August Burns Red's wild side, I love it!
Betraying The Martyrs – “Take Me Back” (from “The Resilient”, 2017)
8/10. A killer song from the album where Betraying the Martyrs was moving their sound from symphonic deathcore to progressive metalcore. This has the brutality of ABR's "Defender", yet also has powerful clean vocals and epic orchestral background. Though their change of style compared to previous albums is a little overly drastic.
Attila – “Middle Fingers Up” (from “About That Life”, 2013)
7/10. Interesting song you chose there, Daniel! This marks the beginning of their rap-infused metalcore phase, which I don't mind as long as they know what they're doing with their rapping, unlike say, Machine Head's Catharsis. And with a song title like "Middle Fingers Up", you know there's gonna quite some rapping and swearing going on. Personally if I were to choose an Attila song, it would probably be "Payback".
Fear, & Loathing In Las Vegas – “Virtue & Vice” (from “PHASE 2”, 2014)
10/10. I'm no fan of the Japanese techno-style of metalcore, but I decided to check out this song because someone from the outside world shared with a song by this band, Fear, & Loathing In Las Vegas. And lemme tell you, this one is PERFECT!!! Excellent smooth techno-metalcore gold!! I gotta get more of that band!
As a recent atmospheric sludge fan, I can definitely have a blast with songs like this 10-minute epic:
Hey Daniel, I took an early look at this month's Revolution playlist that it looks like you just completed (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5QylMUK3RZhcK6gZCjqex3), and I'm glad to see that you included almost all of my song suggestions. Thanks Daniel! Nicely done! 
And now for some of my suggestions for next month's Revolution playlist, please choose any of these songs:
Amaranthe - "Trinity" (from Massive Addictive, 2014)
Betraying the Martyrs - "Man Made Disaster" (from Breathe in Life, 2011)
Bleeding Through - "Savior, Saint, Salvation" (from Portrait of the Goddess, 2002)
Converge - "I Can Tell You About Pain" (from The Dusk in Us, 2017)
Shadows Fall - "Root Bound Apollo" (from Of One Blood, 2000)
The Dillinger Escape Plan - "Farewell, Mona Lisa" (from Option Paralysis, 2010)
Trivium - "Pull Harder on the Strings of Your Martyr" (from Ascendancy, 2005)
Here are some of my suggestions for next month's Gateway playlist, please choose any of these songs:
In Flames - "I, the Mask" (from I, the Mask, 2019)
Katatonia - "Dead Letters" (from Dead End Kings, 2012)
Katatonia - "Old Heart Falls" (from The Fall of Hearts, 2016)
Here are some of my suggestions for next month's Guardians playlist, please choose any of these songs:
Blind Guardian - "Mirror Mirror" (from Nightfall in Middle-Earth, 1998)
Dark Moor - "The Dark Moor" (from Dark Moor, 2003)
DragonForce - "Through the Fire and Flames" (from Inhuman Rampage, 2006)
Here are some of my suggestions for next month's Horde playlist, please choose any of these songs:
At the Gates - "Blinded by Fear" (from Slaughter of the Soul, 1995)
Before the Dawn - "Silence" (from Soundscape of Silence, 2008)
Children of Bodom - "Mass Hypnosis" (from Something Wild, 1997)
In Flames - "Only for the Weak" (from Clayman, 2000)
The Crimson Armada - "The Serpent's Tongue" (from Guardians, 2009)
Here are some of my suggestions for next month's Infinite playlist, please choose any of these songs:
Dream Theater - "As I Am" (Train of Thought, 2003)
Mayan - "Undercurrent" (Undercurrent, 2018)
Nevermore - "The Sound of Silence" (from Dead Heart in a Dead World, 2000)
Opeth - "Demon of the Fall" (from My Arms, Your Hearse, 1998)
Pain of Salvation - "Ashes" (from The Perfect Element I, 2000)
Seventh Wonder - "The Black Parade" (from Mercy Falls, 2008)
Symphony X - "Nevermore" (from Underworld, 2015)
Here are some of my suggestions for this month's Revolution playlist in case you haven't completed it yet, please choose any of these songs:
Amaranthe - "Afterlife" (from The Nexus, 2013)
August Burns Red - "Defender" (from Guardians, 2020)
Betraying the Martyrs - "Let It Go" (from Phantom, 2014)
Betraying the Martyrs - "Take Me Back" (from The Resilient, 2017)
Bullet for My Valentine - "Tears Don't Fall" (from The Poison, 2005)
Converge - "My Great Devastator" (from The Poacher Diaries (split with Agoraphobic Nosebleed), 1999)
Darkest Hour - "For the Soul of the Savior" (from The Mark of the Judas, 2000)
Trivium - "In Waves" (from In Waves, 2011)
Straight-edge metalcore with black/death metal influences, a starting point for three members of Between the Buried and Me (Tommy Giles Rogers, Paul Waggoner, and Will Goodyear), recommended for fans of the early-2000s eras of BTBAM, Underoath, and The Black Dahlia Murder:
Great idea, Xephyr! Song suggestions for playlists would be a good clan activity for members, new or longtime, to check out other members' favorite songs way more than just the "Track of the Day" threads. I'll start with some suggestions for this month's Revolution playlist since it's not up yet. Daniel, please pick any of the songs from this list:
Amaranthe - "Afterlife" (from The Nexus, 2013)
August Burns Red - "Defender" (from Guardians, 2020)
Betraying the Martyrs - "Let It Go" (from Phantom, 2014)
Betraying the Martyrs - "Take Me Back" (from The Resilient, 2017)
Bullet for My Valentine - "Tears Don't Fall" (from The Poison, 2005)
Converge - "My Great Devastator" (from The Poacher Diaries (split with Agoraphobic Nosebleed), 1999)
Darkest Hour - "For the Soul of the Savior" (from The Mark of the Judas, 2000)
Trivium - "In Waves" (from In Waves, 2011)
As an extension, does MA really need any sub-genre that is just thematically diverse rather than musically? If so then why not go all-in and include cosmic (or space) black metal and satanic black metal?
"Satanic black metal" is a bit redundant because satanism is often an essential part of black metal, but I suppose "cosmic black metal" can be a thing if there are more well-known black metal bands with cosmic/space themes than just Arcturus and Darkspace.
Pagan black metal and Depressive black metal can both be valid subgenres. My question is, should Depressive black metal also be part of The Fallen clan, not just The North? It's kind of the second wave of black-doom with dark suicidal lyrics of death, depression and human suffering over the lo-fi high distortion and fast tremolo of black metal alongside the droning low distortion and slow timbres of doom metal. Then again, my examples of "depressive power metal" (earlier Sonata Arctica and recent Kamelot) are obviously not doomy at all...
How about depressive power metal or blackened funk metal?
If you wanna hear some power metal with depressive themes, I would suggest the earlier Sonata Arctica and the recent Kamelot. Not sure about “blackened funk metal”, but that would be an interesting as f*** mix.
I must admit that I like the fact that Metal Academy isn't too specific in it's genre selection. Do we really need to break a main genre like Doom, Death or Black metal into anything more than a handful of easily differentiated sub-genres? Surely any more specific genre indicators are better as part of a review.
Breaking down a main genre like Doom, Death or Black metal is a bit necessary because then it’s easier for people to listen to sub-genres they like from a main genre they generally avoid, like how I listen to death-doom and melodeath while avoiding the standard doom or death metal. But if you don’t feel up for the whole genre-splitting idea, that’s fine. I’m just pointing out my opinion...
Psychedelic black metal can be another valid metal genre. However, I don't know about "psych-doom", that can refer to either adding psychedelic fragments to gothic/doom metal (Tiamat's Wildhoney) or a nickname for stoner metal.
Genres should not be created based on a scene or a location, nor should they be created based on lyrical content. Genres should (in my opinion) categorise releases based on the music they contain, and nothing more. Should Goregrind be a genre or is it just Grindcore with a gore theme (I don't know, just putting it out there)? Should Enslaved and Borknagar albums be labelled as Viking Metal or are they just Black Metal albums with Viking themes?
There are definitely a couple Grindcore subgenres; Goregrind and Pornogrind, but I personally don't think those genre labels should be added here. They openly point out the lyrical content that is so gory and X-rated, and if people checking out the site who are sensitive to that kind of inappropriate sh*t see those labels, they would probably be outraged and prevent themselves and their kids from going here, and we would have much less new members in the future. Remember, I'm still living with my sometimes suspicious parents. Viking Metal is often a mix of Black Metal instrumentation with Viking themes, so some Enslaved and Borknagar albums can count as Viking Metal, I guess? But I agree that just because a band has Viking themes, doesn't mean they can be labeled Viking Metal. Death metal bands can have Viking themes, such as Amon Amarth and Unleashed, but since those are probably the only two prominent bands with that combination, "Viking Death Metal" wouldn't cut it as a subgenre.
Do we include NWOBHM as a subgenre? It will mean that releases from that movement have the potential to not come up in heavy metal searches &, despite the fact that the New Wave definitely has its own unique attributes & characteristics, it also covers such a diverse range of sounds from speed metal to traditional doom metal. I'd suggest omitting it.
Agreed, Daniel. NWOBHM is more a wave than a genre. Enough said...
I love it! With that new upcoming feature, it'll be easier for Metal Academy members to find specific subgenres they like in genres they would otherwise generally avoid, like if I wanna find releases with subgenres such as Death-Doom, Melodic Death Metal, etc. To be honest, I think of the term "Classic" more in terms of time, rather than genre, like the "classic" albums would be for releases that are in the earliest origin eras of their respective genres to which they helped popularize said genres. Y'know, their "Early Days", "1st Decade/Era", like in Clan Challenges (for example; https://metal.academy/lists/single/22, https://metal.academy/lists/single/28, https://metal.academy/lists/single/35, https://metal.academy/lists/single/41). And of course, the "Traditional" label was taken by Traditional Doom Metal. So the term I would prefer is..."Standard", as in "Standard Death Metal", "Standard Doom Metal", "Standard Black Metal", etc.
While I'm on the subject of doom metal sub-genres, would you consider Epic Doom Metal as valid? This isn't recognised by RYM, but I believe there are enough adherents and it is distinguishable sufficiently from other doom metal sub-genres to justify inclusion on MA.
Epic Doom Metal really is an actual doom metal subgenre. I'm guessing RYM didn't feel like using that subgenre because of the overuse of the term "Epic" to describe other genres for some bands in websites such as the Metal Archives (for example; "Bal-Sagoth = Symphonic/Epic Black Metal", "Battlelore = Epic Symphonic Metal", "Dethlehem = Epic Melodic Death Metal", "Ensiferum = Epic Folk Metal", "Manilla Road = Epic Heavy/Power Metal"). Yeah, overly adding the word "Epic" to genres for bands that are already epic enough can make that word a little less...epic. But if we are gonna add genre terms that are different from RYM such as "Standard", then why not? I'm fine with Epic Doom Metal being a valid genre here!
It's going to take me a while to get this up and running, and I may not be adding as many releases to the site as I normally do for a while (I'll prioritise requests, so keep them coming).
You'll still add requested releases, Ben? Sweet!! I made a couple band/album requests the other day (Prayer for Cleansing and the new Kamelot live album I Am the Empire – Live from the 013), but I still haven't seen them here yet so I'm not too sure if you saw my requests or not. Could you please add them as soon as you can? Thanks! Can't wait to see them here, along with the exciting upcoming Filterable Subgenres feature...