Judgement Submissions

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

I've passed this nomination as the release no longer qualifies for inclusion in The Gateway.

I've added a Hall of Judgement entry to have the release added to The Gateway under Alternative Metal first as we can't remove it from The Infinite until it has another clan.

I don't think it's so much "warping" as it is metal fanboy pretentiousness, you know overstrictness to what real metal is, and then (potentially hypocritically) adding Deep Purple while the "poser" band Avenged Sevenfold is left out to rot in the hot sun.  The website seems to have it out for a lot of metalcore, but from what I've noticed it seems to be towards some more popular bands.

And yes, some hair metal albums are indeed true metal, notably Motley Crue and Dokken, but let's be honest: there are quite a few people who still confuse it with real metal.  Apparently, Poison is metal... Apparently...

I can't blame anyone for thinking hair metal or glam metal is metal. Why else would it contain the word metal in it!? Stupid, dumb genre names... (grumble, grumble)... don't get me started on U.S. Power Metal which apparently isn't Power Metal. It would be surprising if people weren't confused!

My feelings on this one are the same as I detailed in the GnR thread. I don't think Deep Purple (or Budgie for that matter) should qualify as metal.

Let's see what everyone else thinks though. I've posted this nomination in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/394

Guns 'n' Roses certainly have a heavy sound in comparison to most other rock music (as well as some of the lighter heavy metal releases to be fair) but the instrumental techniques utilized are still drawn from rock rather than metal in my opinion (i.e. a bluesy feel, open-string riffs, pentatonic licks, 4x4 rock beats, no use of double-kick, minimal use of palm-muted down-strokes, a groovier edge to their riffs & rhythms that has you tapping your foot rather than banging your head, etc.). Scorpions have a few metal tracks here & there but for the most part sit much more comfortably under the hard rock tag too in my experience (which amounts to their run of six albums from 1976 through to 1984). The only Scorpions album I've heard that's worthy of a metal tag is "Blackout" which, to my ears at least, contains a mixture of hard rock & heavy metal songs.

Let's see what others think though as I've just posted this nomination in the Hall of Judgement.

While there are clearly a couple of tracks that fit the criteria for heavy metal, I don't think it's fair to say that it's a primary genre on Marty Friedman's 1987 debut album 'Dragon's Kiss' as the album traverses a number of different metal genres including progressive metal & speed metal. Neoclassical metal is the primary sound that ties everything together so I feel that it should be the lone genre tag here at the Academy. For that reason, I'd like to see the Heavy Metal genre removed from the release while maintaining its position in The Guardians under Neoclassical Metal.

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https://metal.academy/hall/392

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

OK, thanks Daniel.

I agree that "Rage For Order" is a progressive metal record Andi. I'd also suggest that it's not even close to a traditional heavy metal release so if this nomination is successful I'll be submitting an additional Hall entry to have it removed from The Guardians.

The less the sub-genre/tagging options the better.  I am all for the "this in the wrong clan/this is missing an obvious clan inclusion" argument (Nocturnal Graves feature this month for example), however creating boxes within boxes is too much.  Atmospheric sludge metal my arse! 

Nocturnal Graves are generally tagged as blackened thrash but personally I’d suggest that there’s a lot more Sadistic Intent & particularly early Morbid Angel in Nocturnal Graves sound than there is the thrash metal of Slayer so I'd like to see 'An Outlaw's Stand' added the The Horde under the Death Metal genre.

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Nocturnal Graves are generally tagged as blackened death/thrash & you can easily see why upon first listen to “An Outlaw’s Stand” however I’d argue that the links to thrash are misguided on this occasion which makes the album an uncomfortable fit as a feature release for The Pit. There are certainly some thrash influences here & there but this is much more of a blackened death metal record in my opinion with the two primary genres sharing the spotlight in roughly equal measure. Perhaps the links to thrash come from the similarities in approach to Sweden’s Witchery & fellow Aussie bands like Destroyer 666 & Vomitor whose blackened sounds are more heavily infiltrated by classic thrash but personally I’d suggest that there’s a lot more Sadistic Intent & particularly early Morbid Angel in Nocturnal Graves sound than there is the thrash metal of Slayer.

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After coming fully to grips with “Cosmic Doom Ritual” recently, I’ve come to the realisation that Hexer have fooled many people because the use of the word “doom” in the album title has led most online resources to claim the album as doom metal. In reality though, the tone is much more abrasive & the vocals are a lot harsher & more aggressive than you would usually expect from doom which sees the release aligning itself pretty clearly with sludge metal. The use of slowly building post-rock song structures & stripped-back atmospherics is far in excess of what you will find on a conventional sludge release though with the band taking a more textured approach & steering away from the standard riff-fest. For these reasons, I see “Cosmic Doom Ritual” as a post-sludge metal release with references to stoner metal in the psychedelics so I'd like to see this release removed from the Doom Metal genre.

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I've passed this nomination as these releases no longer qualify for inclusion in The Revolution.

2019's third album from Spain's Teitanblood certainly offers a lot of death metal influence however I'd suggest that this is a signature component of the war metal sound with the majority of the album sitting much closer to the war metal sound than a conventional death metal. Therefore I'd like to see "The Baneful Choir" removed from The Horde & the Death Metal genre while maintaining its position in The North under the Black Metal genre.

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I decided to give this live Death album some listening and a review to once again test out my interest in the band. The performance is highly focused on the band's 90s progressive/tech-death era, with only two songs from their 80s standard death metal albums. A lot of the progressiveness can be found in songs from the band's last two studio albums which cover over half of this release. So this entry is definitely getting a YES vote from me.

The new Klone album is more than just alt-rock/metal. There's quite some progressiveness going on in aspects such as the complex structures and frequent time signature changes, enough for the album to be deemed progressive metal. So I'd like to submit Klone's "Meanwhile" to the Hall to be added to The Infinite while staying in The Gateway.

I decided to check this EP out to continue testing out my interest in Anthrax, as well as explore the first ever rap metal release and one of the earliest Gateway releases. I can definitely hear what you mean, Daniel. The EP is basically 3 different versions of a song that has kickstarted rap metal, a Black Sabbath cover, and two live versions of songs from Among the Living. The rap/thrash/heavy metal ratio is 40%, 40%, 20%. I'm giving this one a YES vote!

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Despite the misleading album title, Cacophony's 1987 debut album isn't technically speaking a speed metal record as it only possesses the one speed metal number (i.e. "Where My Fortune Lies") amongst the seven tracks on offer. I don't think it should hold a place in The Pit & would like to see the Speed Metal genre removed from the release while retaining its position in The Guardians.

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Cacophony's 1987 debut album draws is a neoclassical metal release that utilizes heavy metal, speed metal & progressive metal as tools to create one of the heavier guitar virtuoso releases you'll find. The predominant feature of the album is the neoclassical component though & it's a much more expansive release than most you'll find in The Guardians so (even though there are a couple of genuine heavy metal tracks amongst the seven of offer in "Savage" & "Desert Island") I think it's a bit deceptive to simply toss a record like this one into the classic heavy metal bucket. I'd like to have the Heavy Metal genre removed from the album whilst retaining the Neoclassical metal one.

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There's really very little straight up Doom Metal on 'IV.I.VIII' that isn't better covered by the existing Sludge Metal tag so I'd like to see the Doom Metal tag removed while maintaining the Sludge Metal one.

I've just posted this nomination in the Hall of Judgement.

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This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

To my ears "Pig" is a metalcore/mathcore hybrid in roughly equal portions. I can only find about 30 seconds of grindcore influence on the whole release to be honest & even then it's only an influence rather than a primary sound. I wouldn't even go for a grindcore secondary subgenre on this one so I'm afraid it'll be a NO vote from me.

I've just posted this nomination in the Hall of Judgement too.

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The Septicflesh nomination is no longer relevant as we've now moved that release onto the brand new Symphonic Death Metal subgenre.

Ah, I thought it was listed under the Guardians. I'm getting a bit confused over the whole site non-metal inclusion policy to be honest.

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Boris' debut album is generally tagged as a drone metal/sludge metal hybrid however there's a lot more to it than that. I have it tagged as follows:

1 Huge (9:16)                    Drone metal/Sludge metal

2 Ganbou-Ki (15:46)        Post-sludge metal

3 Hama (7:32)                  Post-sludge metal

4 Kuruimizu (14:29)        Post-sludge metal

5 Vomitself (16:56)         Drone metal

The drone metal component really only amounts to the first half of "Huge" & the entirety of "Vomitself" so I don't think it's significant enough to warrant a tag at Metal Academy. The predominant genre is post-sludge metal for mine so I'd like to see the drone metal tag removed & an atmospheric sludge metal tag added. A sludge metal tag needs to be maintained in order to see the album continuing to be associated with The Fallen which it clearly should be. I've posted two entries in the Hall of Judgement, one to have the drone metal genre removed & another to have the release added to The Infinite under the atmospheric sludge metal subgenre.

These two nominations have been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

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These nominations have been passed.

Thanks, Daniel!

Thanks, Daniel!

As with Dokken's 1985 third album "Under Lock & Key", 1987's "Back For The Attack" possesses an obvious metal edge but whether it should qualify for metal status really comes down to whether you consider the glam metal subgenre to sit below a hard rock or a metal part genre because this is clearly a glam metal release with only three of four genuine heavy metal songs out of the thirteen on offer. As with a lot of glam metal, the guitar work is certainly metal-based but the vocals & rhythm section sit in commercial hard rock territory. Here at the Academy we've always left glam metal for the hard rockers so for that reason I'd like to see "Back For The Attack" removed from The Guardians & placed under Non-Metal.

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I can't, Daniel. I'm no longer in The Guardians.

Vinnie Moore's 1986 debut album really isn't as neoclassically structured as it's made out to be. It's much more of a progressive heavy metal record with classical influence only sporadically popping up in the solos which doesn't constitute the requirement for an additional genre in my opinion. For this reason I'd like to see 'Mind's Eye' removed from the Neoclassical Metal genre while maintaining its position under Heavy Metal.

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I completely agree with your assessment here Sonny. "The Cage" is simply a hard rock record as far as I can see & not a very good one either it has to be said. It should never have been drawn in under the NWOBHM banner in the first place in my opinion.

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No it isn't a very good record at all. I really dislike AOR and this has all the hallmarks of that excremental genre. In fact, thinking about it again has pissed me off so much I have had to go back and dock it another half a point!

I completely agree with your assessment here Sonny. "Firepower" is a combination of progressive rock & hard rock as far as I can see & it should never have been drawn in under the NWOBHM banner in the first place. I do quite like it though.

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