Judgement Submissions

OK, thanks Daniel.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/480

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/477

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/476

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/475

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/474

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/473

I have to admit that I don't see it personally. I'd argue that it's potentially more of a post-hardcore release than it is a metal one with post-hardcore covering the more expansive material.

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/472

OK, thanks Daniel.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

Thanks for submitting your vote on this one Sonny. It's seen us meet a reasonably strong consensus at YES 5 NO 0 so I'm going to pass this nomination. The release has been adjusted accordingly.

0 votes for no.  Now I know for certain: everyone here has taste when it comes to death.

I hadn't listened to this before today, but it has been on my "to do" list for a while, so I thought I would kill two birds with one stone. There are thrash and groove elements present for sure, but I don't think they are pervasive enough to appeal especially to Pit members who aren't also into industrial metal. So that's a "yes" from me.

Gave this a couple of blasts this morning and a) this is an album I haven't paid nearly enough attention to over the years and b) it contains hardly any thrash apart from the odd Slayeresque solo. I would say it owes it's existence more to Discharge than Slayer. Voted "Yes".

I don't recall ever thinking that "Weighing Souls With Sand" felt doomy to be honest Sonny. I always felt that it fit the description for post-metal & that it didn't belong in The Fallen which was the reason for my Hall of Judgement entry. The doomgaze subgenre seems like another pointless RYM sub-division to me. 

I don't know exactly what it is about this record, but I still think it more likely to gain fans in The Fallen than The Infinite. A fair bit of it sounds in the same ballpark as Nadja and Jesu to me, even though it isn't drone metal. Maybe it's the heavy distortion and cavern-like sound that does it, I'm not sure.

I've just given this album some listening and a review because I felt up to checking out one of the most experimental releases in metal. Here we have an avant-garde metal exploration through noise, funk, thrash, and circus music. I agree that there's barely any pure funk here, and I shall give your Hall entry a YES vote.

For the record, I don't consider any of those band's classic releases to be technical death metal. They're all progressive death metal records in my opinion. The incorrect use of the tech death & tech thrash tags has long been a source of annoyance for me & is one that I'd like to clear up in the Academy database at some point but have had to simply accept until such time as we have an avenue to make the required changes.

This nomination has been posted as two entries in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/467

https://metal.academy/hall/468

These two nominations have been posted in the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/464

https://metal.academy/hall/465

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/463

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/462

I've just given this album some listening and a review to expand my progressive death metal knowledge, and there is certainly a lot of progressiveness. I also find some technicality within the shredding and soloing that explore flamenco/neoclassical-style territory. It's almost like a more brutal Persefone on steroids! So this Hall entry shall be granted a YES vote from me.

There's very little doubt that Kostnatění's very solid sophomore album is a black metal release however I would argue that there's enough of a focus on presenting the genre in the most unusual fashion possible that it should qualify as Avant-Garde Metal too. The Deathspell Omega influence is obvious throughout & I can see a decent chunk of your more traditional black metal audience simply not being up to the dissonance & experimentation on offer here. For that reason, I'd like to see 'Úpal' added to The Infinite under the Avant-Garde Metal genre on top of its existing position in The North.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/459

Trhä - "Av◊ëlajnt◊ë£ hinnem nihre" E.P. (2023)

This little E.P. sees Trhä presenting the traditional raw black metal model in a truly bizarre format with strange sounding Japanese folk melodies layered over the top for an off-putting & often quite sickly effect. It sounds avant-garde as fuck to me personally so I feel that it should rightly sit in The Infinite under the Avant-Garde Metal tag on top of its Black Metal tagging in The North.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/458

Although Yuyoyuppe's latest release contains a fair chunk of deathcore instrumentation, I really think that linking this Kawaii metal stuff to The Revolution is a stretch as I can't see metalcore fans connecting with it. Instead, I'd suggest that it sits much more comfortably amongst the other hybrid genres under The Gateway so I'd like to see "SICK" being added to that clan under the Alternative Metal genre.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement. If this poll is successful then I'll be taking the liberty of conducting another to have "SICK" removed from The Revolution.

https://metal.academy/hall/457

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/456

This one seems pretty obvious to me. In fact, I'd suggest that the only reason that 'Deathrace King' doesn't already qualify for inclusion in The Horde is because people are fighting over whether it's better suited to conventional death metal or melodic death metal. Personally, I think there's more conventional death metal here which makes the album predominantly a death/thrash release with melodic death metal, groove metal & speed metal influences. Therefore, I'd like to see the record be added to The Horde under the Death Metal (Conventional) genre.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/455

I hadn't really thought of 666 International as an avant-garde metal album. But realizing the high amount of unorthodox percussion and keyboards and overall experimentation there, I think you're right, Daniel. I'll give that entry a YES vote.

With a unanimous YES 5 NO 0 vote tally thus far, I've decided to pass this Hall of Judgement nomination as it's clear that it's only going one way & I completely agree with the consensus. The database has been changed to remove the Gothic Metal genre from the release.

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/453

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/452

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/450

This nomination has just been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/449

This nomination has just been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/448

This nomination has just been posted in the Hall of Judgement Andi.

https://metal.academy/hall/447

This nomination has just been posted in the Hall of Judgement Andi.

https://metal.academy/hall/446

Here's how I tagged the album as a point of difference:

01. Misery - Alternative metal

02. Believer - Sludge metal

03. Survive - Alternative metal

04. All of Nothing - Alternative metal

05. Denial - Alternative metal

06. Assassinate The Scars - Death metal

07. Recession - Sludge metal

08. Living Wreck - Sludge metal

09. Humiliation - Sludge metal

10. Outro - Dark ambient

The tracks that I've tagged as Alternative Metal sound pretty much exactly like Deftones only with sludge metal vocals. There's only one death metal riff on the whole album in my opinion so I don't think there's any place for it in The Horde. Even the vocals aren’t death growls. They’re in the hardcore style we regularly hear in sludge metal & metalcore. I don't hear any groove metal riffs to speak of.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/442

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/441

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/440

Although Death Angel's 'Act III' third album often plays with different subgenres like funk metal, alternative metal & acoustic rock, it still maintains its incisive thrash metal riffage on the majority of tracks. There's not really a track that I regard as being 'heavy metal' per se so I can't see why people would want to tag the album as such. For that reason, I'd like to see 'Act III' removed from The Guardians & the Heavy Metal genre while maintaining its position in The Pit under Thrash Metal.

https://metal.academy/hall/439

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/438

Malokarpatan's brand new 'Vertumnus Caesar' album is generally tagged as a black/heavy metal hybrid but I feel that's inaccurate as it's not a 'heavy metal' record per se. Malokarpatan use black metal vocals & aesthetics as the basis for their sound & then layer them over the top of a whole range of different genres including symphonic prog, speed metal, heavy metal, black 'n' roll, thrash metal, avant-garde metal & progressive metal so 'Vertumnus Caesar' is really hard to pigeon-hole but I feel pretty strongly that it shouldn't be in The Guardians. I'd suggest that leaving them solely under Black Metal (Conventional) might be the best approach as that element is the only common denominator across the tracklisting & I think adding the album to The Pit or The Infinite would be a stretch. On that note, I'd like to see the Malokarpatan's 'Vertumnus Caesar' removed from The Guardians whilst remaining in The North.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/437

Despite the common feeling that Deceased...'s highly regarded 1997 third album is a death/thrash record, I really struggle to find much in the way of genuine death metal on it. Even the vocals sound more like Venom front man Cronos than they do your classic death grunt. To my ears 'Fearless Undead Machines" is a straight thrash metal record so I'd like to see it removed from The Horde & the Death Metal genre.

I've added this nomination to the Hall of Judgement for your opinions:

https://metal.academy/hall/436

I've just added these two nominations to the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/434

https://metal.academy/hall/435

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/432

https://metal.academy/hall/433

I don’t think there’s much in the way of psychedelia there either but those groovy down-tuned riffs you mentioned are as stoner metal as it gets in my opinion. I actually think there’s more stoner than there is heavy metal on this record.

Having just revisited this Queensryche album, I honestly still hear metal in some other songs besides those two highlights. It's also not progressive enough to deserve The Infinite clan, as only two songs "Best I Can" and "Della Brown" are highly progressive and they have much more in common with the prog-rock of Rush than the prog-metal of Dream Theater. So with Empire being a hard rock/heavy metal album to my ears with only two progressive songs, I'll vote for having it removed from The Infinite but vote against having it removed from The Guardians. Stay tuned for my revisit/review for their next album Promised Land and its possible subsequent judgement submission...