Judgement Submissions

The idea behind the Hall of Judgement is to give site members the opportunity to vote on which genre(s) and/or clan(s) a particular release should belong to. If you feel that a release shouldn't be where it currently is, create a new thread here in the Judgement Submissions section. Make sure you're clear about what you think should happen, and provide brief summary as to why. It's your task to convince other site members that your opinion is the correct one.

Once you've stated your case, an admin will either enter the release into the Hall of Judgement or ask for clearer / more information.

https://metal.academy/hall/561

https://metal.academy/hall/560

Hhhmm… it would seem that I made a mistake by allowing members of The Infinite to vote on this poll. I’ve just fixed it & reset the count. Sorry Andi.

For the record, the progressive metal component is the most prominent here in my opinion with the groove metal & thrash metal sounds not being consistent enough to justify a position in The Pit in isolation. However, when you consider the sum of the two you find that they easily justify inclusion in the clan. I selected groove metal simply because it was the more prominent of the two. Other than the three songs I mentioned in my review, the thrash elements only amount to a riff here or there which isn't enough to see me reaching for thrash-based primary tags on any other tracks.

Sepultura's fifteenth album is much more progressive than anything I've heard from them before, so much so that I'd suggest that Progressive Metal is the most prominent genre to appear in a track-by-track genre-tagging exercise. For that reason, I'd like to see 'Quadra' added to The Infinite under the Progressive Metal genre.

https://metal.academy/hall/558

I have to admit, I was also sitting on the fence between whether or not I would consider this album and the 1994 debut black metal as a primary genre. While there are songs with a prominent black metal sound, whether in sections or as a whole, the other main genres have more of the spotlight. But ultimately, after some further listening, I've come to the conclusion that there is enough black metal to qualify. My opinion on the gothic metal side of the sound still stands though in the more mellow melancholic moments. So I'd consider both albums progressive/gothic/black metal, thereby voting YES for the entries adding them to The North and NO for the entries removing them from The Fallen.

Novembre's 'Dreams d'azur' doesn't show any sign of the gothic influence that's required for it to qualify as progressive gothic metal with the black metal component being far stronger. I'd like to see it removed from The Fallen while maintaining its position in The Infinite.

https://metal.academy/hall/556

Novembre's debut album isn't progressive doom/death. There's no sign of doom or death metal but there is a clear black metal component that's strong enough for it to qualify as progressive black metal in my opinion so I'd like it added to The North under the Atmospheric Black Metal subgenre.

https://metal.academy/hall/554

I don't hear much of a gothic component to be honest so it's gonna be a NO from me. It's predominantly a progressive metal release & I was really, really close to nominating it for inclusion in The North under black metal too because that's clearly the base sound they've used to expand on.

https://metal.academy/hall/553

Also since this album has already been added to The Infinite, could you please remove this Hall entry that I submitted earlier: https://metal.academy/hall/502 Thanks, Daniel.

I've deleted it as requested.

I've passed this nomination uncontested Andi.

https://metal.academy/hall/551

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https://metal.academy/hall/549

Despite Bathory's disappointing seventh full-length being clearly centred around thrash metal from an instrumental point of view, the presence of Quorthon's trademark black metal vocals always ensures that things don't drift completely out of The North & I think a blackened thrash tag is far more appropriate. I don't know about you but I've always felt that those sort of releases should receive a dual tag as those members of The Pit that aren't down with black metal could struggle with the extremity here. Therefore, I'd like to see "Requiem" being added to The North on top of its existing position in The Pit.

https://metal.academy/hall/548

Thanks Daniel.

Thanks Daniel. The RYM genre voting pixies have fucked up again on this one.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/547

This nomination has been added to the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/546

This nomination has been added to the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/545

This nomination has been added to the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/544

This nomination has been added to the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/543

I've passed this nomination uncontested Andi.

The 1993 debut album from California's is one of the multitude of sludge metal releases that also receives a doom metal tag when there's absolutely no reason for it. Sludge metal already covers the doom metal component & the vocals & generally noisy aesthetic clearly put this record into comfortable sludge territory. For that reason, I'd like to see the Doom Metal tag removed from "Feel My Hate - The Power Is the Weight - R.I.P. Cain" with its Sludge Metal tag being the only one that's required.

https://metal.academy/hall/540

While Ministry's "Filth Pig" album certainly contains some elements of sludge metal & noise rock, it's still predominantly an industrial metal release with the existing Sludge Metal tag being overkill for the majority of the record. For that reason, I'd like to see the "Filth Pig" removed from The Fallen so that resides solely in The Sphere.

https://metal.academy/hall/539

Extol's 2003 "Synergy" album certainly contains an obvious technical thrash metal influence as well as a few songs that have a rightful claim to that subgenre as a primary tag however each of those songs is clearly grounded in progressive metal as well & the rest of the material is far too expansive & adventurous to be covered by thrash metal. There's really not enough thrash in tracks like "Grace For Succession", "Psychopath", "Blood Red Cover", "26 Miles From Marathon" & "Aperture" to justify it as far as I'm concerned. With that in mind, I'd like to see "Synergy" removed form The Pit & the Thrash Metal genre while maintaining its position solely in The Infinite under Progressive Metal.

https://metal.academy/hall/538

This nomination has been passed.

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https://metal.academy/hall/535

This nomination has been passed.

I look at it like this:

Technical = Consciously complex & hard to play.

Progressive = Utilizes a more expansive palate of thematic, structural & melodic ideas which gives the music a more sophisticated (& sometimes spacey) feel. It can often be quite technical but not always.

Most technical releases could easily fit under the progressive tag in my opinion but I don't feel that the same can't be said in reverse.

That's what I've been thinking, but you phrased it way better.

https://metal.academy/hall/534

https://metal.academy/hall/533

As with Primus' first two albums, I can't identify any metal whatsoever on this bad boy. The links between Primus & metal music are purely a myth with this record sitting very comfortably under an experimental/psychedelic rock description. Therefore, I'd like to see "Pork Soda" removed from The Gateway so that it can reside under the Non-Metal grouping.

https://metal.academy/hall/532

Atheist's popular 1993 third album "Elements" is generally referred to as being progressive/technical death metal but I have question the album's claim to our The Horde clan because I don't hear any death metal whatsoever on this record. It's purely a progressive metal record as far as I can see so I'd like to see "Elements" removed from The Horde & reside solely in The Infinite.

https://metal.academy/hall/531

Fixed

I just gave this Sadist album some listening and a review to continue my on-off thrashy progressive death metal exploration. There is a bit of thrash riffing going on, but I'm still one of those people who would consider this a progressive death metal album, maybe even technical death metal. Most of the speedy riffing has more to do with the more technical side of death metal, helped out by some neoclassical leads, all that combined with the keyboard ambience stirring up the progressiveness in the sound. I'm afraid I'll have to give this entry a NO vote, Daniel. And I encourage Horde members to please add the technical death metal subgenre to the album's release page.

https://metal.academy/hall/528

Unanimated's debut album is clearly a melodic black/death metal hybrid in my opinion. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's more black metal than it is death metal & could well have been the catalyst for the entire melodic black metal phenomenon that took off out of Sweden later in 1993. For that reason, I'd like to see "In the Forest of the Dreaming Dead" added to The North on top of its existing position in The Horde.

https://metal.academy/hall/526

Heretical as it might be to some, I actually agree with this.

To me, Motörhead always felt like hard rock with as much of a punk element as a metal one, at least in the earlier works (and to some degree even on the later ones).

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/525

A couple tracks are definitely deathly, but looking back at the other tracks, they don't quite reach that level. Sure they're dark and heavy but they've tamed down to more of a bleak atmospheric industrial metal direction. So this entry is getting a YES vote from me.

I remember listening to this In Mourning album long ago, and from what I can recall, the vocals aren't the only thing deathly there. With that and the melodeath riffing going on often, it reminded me a lot of Dark Tranquillity's Haven gone Opeth. So for this entry, I'll have to give it a NO vote, Daniel.

OK, thanks Daniel.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/522

I've passed this nomination uncontested Andi.

I've passed these two nominations uncontested Andi.

Correct indeed! Throes of Absolution is progressive tech-/melodeath fury as it should be and a must-hear for all metalheads out there. The Infinite clan still hasn't been added to its release page though. Could you please fix that, Daniel? Thanks.

Based on the mess RYM have made of their genre-tagging in recent years, I wouldn't worry too much about what their members think Rex as there's not a lot of genuine understanding there. More importantly, we need a few more The Guardians members to vote on this release in the Hall of Judgement so that we can achieve a clear position.

I know.  I'm just expressing my pleasure that it's at least staying there for a while.  I don't have an RYM account as the staff isn't making the best decisions, but I wanted a place to express the pleasure anyway.