Judgement Submissions

The idea behind the Hall of Judgement is to give site members the opportunity to vote on which genre(s) and/or clan(s) a particular release should belong to. If you feel that a release shouldn't be where it currently is, create a new thread here in the Judgement Submissions section. Make sure you're clear about what you think should happen, and provide brief summary as to why. It's your task to convince other site members that your opinion is the correct one.

Once you've stated your case, an admin will either enter the release into the Hall of Judgement or ask for clearer / more information.

Starkill started taking on more of an Epica/Trail of Tears-style symphonic metal direction in their latest album Gravity, but they still have their earlier melodeath in the heavy riffing and growled/screamed vocals. There are also enough fast melodic guitarwork, anthemic hooks, and fantasy lyrics to justify also adding the album to power metal. So I'd like to send Starkill's "Gravity" to the Hall with two submissions to be:

1. Added to power metal.

2. Added to The Horde and melodic death metal.

If the latter entry passes, I'd like to encourage Horde members to vote in the symphonic death metal subgenre.

I'm voting YES for this entry too, Daniel. Same thoughts on the progressiveness of this album as in Sorrow.

I've just revisited this EP and I can definitely hear those lush arrangements and guitar arpeggios, with tracks "Grevinnens Bønn" and "Silently I Surrender" sounding quite expansive. With enough progressiveness to qualify, I'll vote YES for this entry, Daniel.

https://metal.academy/hall/571

https://metal.academy/hall/570

I've passed this nomination uncontested Andi.

Thanks, Daniel. Could you please also post or pass this nomination: https://metal.academy/forum/28/thread/2488

I've passed this nomination uncontested.

I agree about the unusual spacey psychedelics this album has and will vote YES for this Hall entry, Daniel. But I also hear a lot of progressiveness in the complexity and structure enough to make it qualify as progressive metal. So I'd like to submit an additional entry to have Anomalous Abstractigate Infinitessimus added to The Infinite as progressive metal while staying in The Horde and dissonant death metal.

https://metal.academy/hall/569

This nomination has been passed uncontested.

https://metal.academy/hall/568

I decided to pass "Aquarela" uncontested.

https://metal.academy/hall/567

Oranssi Pazuzu's sixth full-length isn't as psychedelic as we've heard from them in the past. I labelled their last two albums as blackened post-metal but I don't think this one fits as nicely under post-metal. In fact, there's really very little metal to be found in the instrumentation which is drawn from a collection of wildly disparate influences including noise rock, trip hop, progressive electronic & dark ambient. The vocals are 100% black metal though & I feel that this ties the album to The North along with the dark themes so I'd like to see "Muuntautuja" being added to that clan under the Black Metal genre along with its current position in The Infinite.

https://metal.academy/hall/565

Unlike Chat Pile's debut album, "Cool World" sees the band offering just as much (if not more) alternative metal than sludge metal with influences like Helmet, Primus & Korn showing up quite regularly across the tracklisting. For that reason, I'd like to see the album added to The Gateway on top of its existing position in The Fallen.

https://metal.academy/hall/564

Thanks, Daniel. Glad you agree.

I've passed this nomination uncontested Andi.

Like most of Yngwie's back catalogue, his 1994 seventh full-length only includes a few tracks where the classical influences are strong enough for a neoclassical metal tag. For that reason, I'd like to see it removed from the Neoclassic Metal genre while remaining solely under Heavy Metal.

https://metal.academy/hall/562

https://metal.academy/hall/561

https://metal.academy/hall/560

Hhhmm… it would seem that I made a mistake by allowing members of The Infinite to vote on this poll. I’ve just fixed it & reset the count. Sorry Andi.

For the record, the progressive metal component is the most prominent here in my opinion with the groove metal & thrash metal sounds not being consistent enough to justify a position in The Pit in isolation. However, when you consider the sum of the two you find that they easily justify inclusion in the clan. I selected groove metal simply because it was the more prominent of the two. Other than the three songs I mentioned in my review, the thrash elements only amount to a riff here or there which isn't enough to see me reaching for thrash-based primary tags on any other tracks.

Sepultura's fifteenth album is much more progressive than anything I've heard from them before, so much so that I'd suggest that Progressive Metal is the most prominent genre to appear in a track-by-track genre-tagging exercise. For that reason, I'd like to see 'Quadra' added to The Infinite under the Progressive Metal genre.

https://metal.academy/hall/558

I have to admit, I was also sitting on the fence between whether or not I would consider this album and the 1994 debut black metal as a primary genre. While there are songs with a prominent black metal sound, whether in sections or as a whole, the other main genres have more of the spotlight. But ultimately, after some further listening, I've come to the conclusion that there is enough black metal to qualify. My opinion on the gothic metal side of the sound still stands though in the more mellow melancholic moments. So I'd consider both albums progressive/gothic/black metal, thereby voting YES for the entries adding them to The North and NO for the entries removing them from The Fallen.

Novembre's 'Dreams d'azur' doesn't show any sign of the gothic influence that's required for it to qualify as progressive gothic metal with the black metal component being far stronger. I'd like to see it removed from The Fallen while maintaining its position in The Infinite.

https://metal.academy/hall/556

Novembre's debut album isn't progressive doom/death. There's no sign of doom or death metal but there is a clear black metal component that's strong enough for it to qualify as progressive black metal in my opinion so I'd like it added to The North under the Atmospheric Black Metal subgenre.

https://metal.academy/hall/554

I don't hear much of a gothic component to be honest so it's gonna be a NO from me. It's predominantly a progressive metal release & I was really, really close to nominating it for inclusion in The North under black metal too because that's clearly the base sound they've used to expand on.

https://metal.academy/hall/553

Also since this album has already been added to The Infinite, could you please remove this Hall entry that I submitted earlier: https://metal.academy/hall/502 Thanks, Daniel.

I've deleted it as requested.

I've passed this nomination uncontested Andi.

https://metal.academy/hall/551

https://metal.academy/hall/550

https://metal.academy/hall/549

Despite Bathory's disappointing seventh full-length being clearly centred around thrash metal from an instrumental point of view, the presence of Quorthon's trademark black metal vocals always ensures that things don't drift completely out of The North & I think a blackened thrash tag is far more appropriate. I don't know about you but I've always felt that those sort of releases should receive a dual tag as those members of The Pit that aren't down with black metal could struggle with the extremity here. Therefore, I'd like to see "Requiem" being added to The North on top of its existing position in The Pit.

https://metal.academy/hall/548

Thanks Daniel.

Thanks Daniel. The RYM genre voting pixies have fucked up again on this one.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/547

This nomination has been added to the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/546

This nomination has been added to the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/545

This nomination has been added to the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/544

This nomination has been added to the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/543

I've passed this nomination uncontested Andi.

The 1993 debut album from California's is one of the multitude of sludge metal releases that also receives a doom metal tag when there's absolutely no reason for it. Sludge metal already covers the doom metal component & the vocals & generally noisy aesthetic clearly put this record into comfortable sludge territory. For that reason, I'd like to see the Doom Metal tag removed from "Feel My Hate - The Power Is the Weight - R.I.P. Cain" with its Sludge Metal tag being the only one that's required.

https://metal.academy/hall/540

While Ministry's "Filth Pig" album certainly contains some elements of sludge metal & noise rock, it's still predominantly an industrial metal release with the existing Sludge Metal tag being overkill for the majority of the record. For that reason, I'd like to see the "Filth Pig" removed from The Fallen so that resides solely in The Sphere.

https://metal.academy/hall/539

Extol's 2003 "Synergy" album certainly contains an obvious technical thrash metal influence as well as a few songs that have a rightful claim to that subgenre as a primary tag however each of those songs is clearly grounded in progressive metal as well & the rest of the material is far too expansive & adventurous to be covered by thrash metal. There's really not enough thrash in tracks like "Grace For Succession", "Psychopath", "Blood Red Cover", "26 Miles From Marathon" & "Aperture" to justify it as far as I'm concerned. With that in mind, I'd like to see "Synergy" removed form The Pit & the Thrash Metal genre while maintaining its position solely in The Infinite under Progressive Metal.

https://metal.academy/hall/538

This nomination has been passed.

https://metal.academy/hall/537

https://metal.academy/hall/536

https://metal.academy/hall/535

This nomination has been passed.

I look at it like this:

Technical = Consciously complex & hard to play.

Progressive = Utilizes a more expansive palate of thematic, structural & melodic ideas which gives the music a more sophisticated (& sometimes spacey) feel. It can often be quite technical but not always.

Most technical releases could easily fit under the progressive tag in my opinion but I don't feel that the same can't be said in reverse.

That's what I've been thinking, but you phrased it way better.

https://metal.academy/hall/534