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I'm claiming this track from a one-off 1972 progressive/hard rock record as an early example of heavy metal. What do you think?

November 18, 2023 10:30 AM

I checked out Night Sun's 1972 "Mournin'" album over the last two days &, while there are definitely some moments where the lines are blurred, I think there's only really the one track that I can confidently say is a genuine metal track so I'm not intending on including it here. It feels much better suited to a progressive/hard rock tag in my opinion. Let me know if you disagree.

November 17, 2023 10:46 PM

Vio-lence - "Oppressing The Masses" (1990)

I purchased the 1990 sophomore album from Bay Area thrashers Vio-lence on cassette pretty close to its release date after really digging the dubbed copy of their thrashtastic 1988 debut album "Eternal Nightmare" I'd picked up from a school mate the previous year. "Oppressing The Masses" isn't as consistently relentless in its high tempo assault on the senses but it's no less effective in my opinion. The song-writing & riff structures are highly professional with the musical talent of the instrumentalists being very impressive indeed. I particularly enjoy the shredding guitar solos but the riffs are all of a high quality too. Front man Sean Killian will once again be a sticking point for some listeners but I think he sounds a little more natural when compared to the debut & I actually quite enjoy the psychotic edge he brings to things which reminds me a lot of former Exodus madman Paul Baloff. The tracklisting is extremely consistent with a solid quality level being maintained throughout. "World In A World" is the only genuine Bay Area classic in my opinion though which is a shame because there was so much potential to make this an even more significant release in the annals of thrash metal history. As it is though, I'd still recommend "Oppressing The Masses" to all of our The Pit clan members & rate it just behind “Eternal Nightmare” in Vio-lence’s back catalogue overall.

4/5

November 17, 2023 10:03 PM

Here's my newly created Top Ten Teutonic Thrash Metal Releases of All Time list:


01. Kreator - "Pleasure To Kill" (1986)

02. Kreator - "Flag Of Hate" E.P. (1986)

03. Kreator - "Coma Of Souls" (1990)

04. Kreator - "Extreme Aggression" (1989)

05. Exumer - "Rising Of The Sea" (1987)

06. Sodom - "Better Off Dead" (1990)

07. Sodom - "Persecution Mania" (1987)

08. Sodom - "Agent Orange" (1989)

09. Kreator - "Live Kreation" (2003)

10. Destruction - "Release From Agony" (1987)


https://metal.academy/lists/single/93

November 17, 2023 08:23 PM

Sodom - "Better Off Dead" (1990)

I first became aware of Teutonic thrash heavy-weights Sodom through their classic 1988 third full-length "Agent Orange" which I purchased on cassette in the very late 1980's or early 1990's & it impressed me enough to see me very rapidly purchasing the remainder of their back catalogue (also on cassette). I wouldn't say that I ever regarded them as a tier one thrash outfit but they certainly offered enough energy & menace to keep this ol' thrasher satisfied & sat comfortably at the top of my tier two bucket. The main issue for Sodom throughout the 1980's was always their ability to write freely flowing songs. They were masters of writing fantastic riffs but the song structures often sounded really jerky & pasted together to my ears which saw them lagging behind their superior local peers Kreator the majority of the time. 1990 would see Sodom releasing their fourth album & it'd be the first that I'd purchase on release (on cassette again -go figure). The better tracks had already been flogged on late-night underground metal radio programs so I was pretty pumped for what I hoped would be the record to see me finally elevate Sodom to the top tier where they belonged.

So, did they manage to do it? Well... not quite but they gave it a damn good crack. "Better Off Dead" is a beautifully conceived & composed thrash record that saw Sodom finally overcoming the song-writing challenges of the past to present some fully-developed & naturally flowing song structures. Of the twelve tracks, two are cover versions but they're both well executed & work as nice change-ups (particularly the Tank one which is really very good & suits their sound nicely). Stylistically, the majority of the record takes a familiar but highly professional German thrash direction but the band regularly change things up with not only a couple of those Motorhead-style speed metal numbers they're so good at but also a few genuine heavy metal tunes. They're damn entertaining too & easily trigger the ear worms to take control of your body for the remainder of the day to reflect on. 

The highlight tracks on "Better Off Dead" are sublime. Elite thrash numbers like opener "An Eye For An Eye" & album highlight "Bloodtrails" are crushingly heavy & never fail to get my head banging but the surprise packet comes in the form of a stunningly ambitious track like "Resurrection" which is a much more controlled heavy metal number that utilizes some unique choir sections & features Motorhead's Lemmy on backing vocals. The consistency of the tracklisting is another major selling point as there's not a weak track included with only the Thin Lizzy cover of "Cold Sweat" sounding inessential. New guitarist Michael Hoffmann's bluesy Fast Eddie Clarke-inspired guitar solos fit Sodom's dirty sound like a glove too which isn't something I thought I'd be saying going in. I guess it goes without saying then that "Better Off Dead" is an essential Sodom album, isn't it? But I'll go one step further by claiming that I'm now comfortable to voice the internalized feelings I've always harbored that "Better Off Dead" was Sodom's best release to the time. Yep! I went there & I'm holding my ground too.

4/5

November 17, 2023 07:18 PM

So "At Damnation's Core" was released yesterday in both physical & streaming formats. It's available through Sphere of Apparition Records, Bandcamp, good record stores around the world & also on Spotify which I'm quietly thrilled about. 

November 17, 2023 07:14 PM

And finally, "Homicidal Suicidal". Metal or not?



I've got this as stoner rock. Ultimately that leaves me not having found a single track to be legitimate metal. "Budgie" was certainly very heavy for its time but a lot of that comes down to the bass-heavy production & its far too bluesy to transcend hard rock in my opinion.

November 16, 2023 07:48 PM

Suffocation - "Reincremated" demo (1990)

The crude demo tape represents the beginning of a life-long love affair between myself & New York brutal death metallers Suffocation. It's also where death metal reached the next level in both brutality as well as technicality. "Reincremated" shows off a previously unparallelled level of intensity & sophistication & pretty much single-handedly created a new sub-genre of death metal. Although all of these tracks were re-recorded in later years, the song structures & performances stayed pretty much the same which really highlights how fully realised these pieces were even at this early stage. There's no out-of-time sections or mistakes that were so common with other death metal demos of the time & you can easily tell that these guys were the real deal. The hyper-speed blast beats, the monstrous vocals & the twisted nature of the guitar solos all became part of the signature Suffocation sound & claimed thousands of immitators world-wide. It's a landmark release for brutal death metal & for myself as a teenage tape trader in the early 1990's.

4/5

Check this early heavy/stoner metal effort from in 1972 out. It's pretty fantastic just quietly.

November 16, 2023 07:37 PM

Cannibal Corpse - "Eaten Back To Life" (1990)

I got heavily into Buffalo death metallers Cannibal Corpse in the early 1990's & they'd become a major influence on the early works of my own death metal band Neuropath. Despite my getting a fair bit of enjoyment out of it, their debut album "Eaten Back To Life" never seemed to be quite as appealing as their subsequent records though. This revisit hasn't seen that opinion changing much. The band hadn't quite hit on their more brutal signature sound as yet & there's still a decent thrash influence on display but I don't think too many people would be claiming this as a thrash release with front man Chris Barnes now attempting an admittedly fairly crude death growl that is definitely the weak point of the album.

The tracklisting is pretty consistent though with only "Scattered Remains, Splattered Brains" failing to hit the mark. There's a naive innocence about the rest of the record that is hard not to enjoy with Cannibal Corpse throwing the kitchen sink at you with a multitude of memorable riffs. Drummer Paul Mazurkiewicz's performance is a little loose but is almost refreshing to hear him still feeling the freedom to try new things given his fairly repetitive approach on Cannibal Corpse's later material. I think it's fair to say that songs like "Shredded Humans", "Born In A Casket" & "Buried In The Backyard" have a right to be tagged as death metal anthems for a teenage me & I still connect with them very easily so "Eaten Back To Life" has maintained a similar level of appeal to what it offered me all those years ago, despite being comfortably the weakest Barnes-fronted Cannibal Corpse record.

3.5/5

November 16, 2023 07:18 PM

How about "You & I"? Metal or not?



I've got folk pop for this one.


Also, I gave Flower Travellin' Band's 1972 "Made In Japan" album a couple of listens over the last couple of days & found that it's not a metal record. As with their first two records, it's got one obvious metal track but I'd describe it as sitting somewhere between heavy psych & psychedelic rock overall. I'm suggesting that we don't consider it unless anyone else has any strong feelings to the contrary. It's a fantastic fucking record though nonetheless. I absolutely love Flower Travellin' Band.

November 15, 2023 07:25 PM

Testament - "Souls of Black" (1990)

I first got into Berkley thrash metallers Testament after blind-purchasing their 1989 third album "Practice What You Preach" blind shortly after release, having been driven by the comparisons with my beloved Metallica. I'd share my CD with Ben who was just coming to grips with thrash himself & together we'd investigate Testament's earlier albums with Ben perhaps becoming a little more enamored with the band than I was. This would result in Ben purchasing 1990's "Souls of Black" CD as soon as it was released & we'd once again give it a bit of a flogging together over the next month or so. Strangely, I haven't returned to "Souls of Black" as regularly as I have Testament's first three records over the years & I recently realised that I wasn't quite sure as to why so decided to give it a revisit.

"Souls of Black" shares some common traits with Exodus' "Impact Is Imminent" from the same year in that it's a very similar record to its predecessor which inevitably draws like-for-like comparisons, only neither come close to matching their elder siblings for overall quality. The production job is a clear obstacle with the rhythm guitar tone being noticeably thin & tinny, a failing that was always going to hurt a band like Testament which lives & dies by its classy guitar work. The tracklisting begins in muscular fashion with the impressive flamenco intro track "Beginning of the End" leading into my personal favourite "Face In The Sky" but the quality immediately takes a step down from there with only the more technical "Malpractice" seeing it rising to the same heights again. The album is completely devoid of classics & there are a few inclusions that I can only deem to be failures too (see "Absence of Light", "Love to Hate" & particularly the misguided attempt to emulate the ballad from Testament's previous album in "The Legacy"). Front man Chuck Billy does his best to work with the material he's got but the song-writing is simply a little light-weight & isn't helped by the production job. The saviour would be lead guitarist Alex Skolnick as usual & his contribution is once again the clear standout of the release.

Don't get me wrong. "Souls of Black" isn't a poor album as such but it's certainly not the record Testament were looking for at the time. I enjoy 70% of the material but I never really came close to awarding four stars as the production & the few filler tracks were always going to be an insurmountable obstacle. Drummer Louie Clemente is another as I've always said that he has no place in a thrash metal band with his simple, rocky style seemingly fighting to keep Testament from sounding too extreme. I've never felt that Testament were deserving of a tier one thrash metal status & "Souls of Black" does nothing to change that opinion even if it's definitely worth a few listens.

3.5/5

November 15, 2023 06:58 PM

How about "All Night Petrol"? Metal or not?



I've got this one down as stoner rock.

November 14, 2023 07:28 PM

Exodus - "Impact Is Imminent" (1990)

Exodus' fourth album is generally regarded as one of their weakest but I've never agreed with that position personally. I bought it on cassette upon release after having thoroughly flogged my "Bonded By Blood" CD & my dubbed copies of "Pleasures of the Flesh" & "Fabulous Disaster" in the previous year &, while I definitely see it as a step down from those records in terms of overall quality, I've never thought of "Impact is Imminent" as any sort of disappointment. The classic Exodus sound is there with that flesh-severing guitar tone, those thrashtastic riffs & Steve Souza's snarly vocals being things that have always appealed to me while the Holt/Hunolt dual guitar attack is as potent as ever with some seriously shredding solos.

Where the album falls down is in a few areas though. Firstly, it's such a similar album to "Fabulous Disaster" that it's difficult not to compare the two with the former easily coming out on top. A large part of that is due to the inclusion of a few genuine thrash classics on that album whereas "Impact Is Imminent" doesn't have anything that gets above a very solid level. The other thing that counts against Exodus' first 90's effort is the length of some of the tracks, particularly across the B side which is clearly not as strong as the A side with the tracklisting being noticeably top-heavy. Songs like "Heads They Win (Tails You Lose)" & the lacklustre "Changing Of The Guard" seem to have been intentionally extended for the post-"...And Justice For All" market but that was never going to work out positively for a band like Exodus who are all about urgency & violence. Nonetheless, there's only really the one track that I don't like in "Changing of the Guard" so it's still a pretty reasonable Bay Area thrash record for mine.

3.5/5

November 14, 2023 07:12 PM

How about "Rape Of The Locks"? Metal or not?



It's hard/blues rock for mine.

I've always wondered how people can cite Filosofem as one of the best black metal albums ever when twenty five minutes of it is boring as fuck.

Quoted Sonny

I'm almost as big a fan of ambient & electronic music as I am of black metal so I really connected with "Rundgang um die transzendentale Säule der Singularität". In fact, it played as a strong role in me awarding "Filosofem" a perfect score as any of the other material.

November 14, 2023 11:58 AM

diSEMBOWELMENT - "Mourning September" demo (1990)

Another old demo from my tape trading days. This time one from a local Aussie band that played a major role in my early 90's. This was their first recording & it doesn't showcase any of the trippy atmospherics they'd become known for just yet. That's not to say that you can't hear the classic diSEMBOWELMENT sound in there though with "Mourning September" highlighting a similar combination of dark doom metal & savage deathgrind to the one we'd love so much on their proper releases in the coming years. The opening title track is a spectacular space ambient piece that I genuinely love while the outro track takes more of a traditional ambient approach but isn't far behind. The band struggles for timing during the faster & more brutal sections of two of the three metal tracks with "Extracted Nails" being the only one that manages to avoid triggering a cringe or two. Thankfully though, the vocals & sound production are well suited to creating the sort of dank death metal atmosphere that I've loved my whole life so "Mourning September" still manages to maintain my interest, particularly during the slower, doomier moments which were already a clear strength.

3.5/5

November 13, 2023 07:21 PM

Anathema - "An Iliad of Woes" demo (1990)

I picked up the first of Liverpool doom/death legends Anathema's demo tapes through the tape trading scene shortly after falling head over heals for their first couple of proper releases back in the early 1990's. The sound quality leaves a lot to be desired but isn't all that different from a zillion other demos of the time. The quality of the song-writing & musicianship is quite good though with Darren White's vocals being more of a traditional death growl than the miserable bellow he'd go with a little later on. Instrumentally, there's probably a touch more Bolt Thrower style death metal than there is genuine doom on show here but you can see Anathema developing into what they'd soon become best across the first two tracks, particularly on "Memento Mori" which is basically the final product & would be re-recorded for 1995's "Pentecost III" EP. I have to admit that I still get enough out of this to keep me interested, even if it's far from essential listening.

3.5/5

November 13, 2023 07:08 PM


Once again, I have this one down as hard/blues rock.

November 13, 2023 01:54 AM

That’s making more sense. I thought you might be on drugs previously. :)

November 12, 2023 07:33 PM

Xentrix - "For Whose Advantage?" (1990)

I purchased a cassette copy of the sophomore album from these English thrash metallers around 1990/91 after quite enjoying the dubbed copy of their debut album "Shattered Existence" I'd received from an older school mate. Xentrix are often criticized for being Metallica clones but the reality is that it's really just the vocals that are responsible for that with the rest of the instrumentation sounding much more similar to Testament, only with a slightly more complex edge that reminds me of a band like Heathen. This is another decent thrash outing too. Perhaps not essential listening but certainly worth a few spins if you're into the bands I mentioned. The only weak point is the inclusion of a fairly flat speed metal number at the end of the tracklisting in "Running White Faced City Boy". There aren't any outright classics here either which prevents "For Whose Advantage?" from competing for my higher scores.

3.5/5

Check out the opening riff from David Bowie's 1971 track "Andy Warhol" & compare it to the riff at 6:20 in Metallica's "Master of Puppets". This is not coincidental & is entirely Cliff Burton's doing.



November 12, 2023 07:07 PM

How about "The Author"? Metal or not?



I've got it down as blues/hard rock.

November 12, 2023 04:00 AM

Given that’s how you see them, is there any reason to separate Primus out from other alternative metal artists then? As a point of reference, there have only been eleven funk metal releases in the last fourteen years (at least ones that are significant enough to warrant us adding them to the Metal Academy database). There’s only been four this decade so far, two of which were from the same band.

November 12, 2023 01:04 AM

Yes, I agree but none of the Primus albums I’ve heard contain anything much in the way of metal.

I've often seen people referring to Judas Priest's opening track from their 1978 "Stained Class" album as the root of the speed metal sound however I would argue that Priest borrowed its double-kick & tremolo-picking techniques from the title-track from Deep Purple's 1971 "Fireball" album. See what you think.



November 11, 2023 07:31 PM
I thought I'd raise something that's been on my mind for some time regarding the funk metal subgenre. Is it really worth differentiating from your other alternative metal? I ask this because, in my experience, most supposed "funk metal" releases either a) don't really champion that sound often enough to warrant the tag (see Faith No More, Scatterbrain, Extreme) or b) aren't metal releases at all (Living Colour's "Vivid", Primus, Extreme). In fact, the only release I've come across that really warants the tag thus far is Living Colour's "Time's Up" album but I can't see that it'd do it any harm if it was simply tagged as alternative metal either. So, I guess my questions are as follows: Is funk metal really a significant & genuine branch of the metal tree &, if so, are there enough genuine funk metal releases out there to justify keeping the tag at Metal Academy?
November 11, 2023 06:57 PM

How about "Everything In My Heart"? Metal or not?



I've got it as psychedelic folk.


Also, I checked out Buffalo's 1972 "Dead Forever..." album yesterday to examine its metal credentials. There's certainly a strong Black Sabbath influence but it doesn't amount to enough metal to justify investigation here. It's a hard rock/heavy psych record for mine. Anyone disagree?

Celtic Frost mastermind Thomas Gabriel Warrior didn't seem to mind much that he'd basically ripped off Megadeth's "In My Darkest Hour" from 1988 when he released this track from 1990's "Vanity/Nemesis" album:



If you wanna hear the earliest roots of speed metal then this track is where you'll find them. Drummer Ian Paice is using two kick drums to play an early example of double kick while guitarist Ritchie Blackmore is playing the prototype for the tremolo-picked speed metal riff.

November 11, 2023 01:29 AM

I revisited Deep Purple's "Fireball" record from 1971 this morning & it's definitely not a metal release in my opinion although the opening title track certainly is. I'm not intending on investigating the "Fireball" album as part of this exercise unless anyone here feels really strongly about it. Speak up or forever hold your peace.

November 10, 2023 09:14 PM

Death Angel - "Act III" (1990)

My first exposure to popular San Francisco Bay Area thrash metallers Death Angel came through the song “Mistress of Pain” from their highly regarded 1987 debut album “The Ultra-Violence” when I heard it played on a late-night underground metal radio program some time in 1989. That experience led me to investigate the band’s first two albums through the older skaters at my school which left me with mixed feelings to be honest. You see, while “The Ultra-Violence” is certainly a raw & super-thrashy effort that reeks of naïve enthusiasm, it’s also inherently unpolished & sounds like it needed a little more work to me. I get a fair bit of enjoyment out of it but have never found it to be essential with the pitchy vocals of front man Mark Osegueda being particularly questionable. It was definitely a step up from 1988’s “Frolic Through The Park” though which I found very little joy in & still regard as Death Angel’s only real failure to this day. Somehow though, I managed to see past that blip & would purchase 1990’s “Act III” third album on cassette shortly after it was released which would coincide with my brother Ben getting into thrash metal quite nicely because “Act III” contained the sort of crossover appeal that could draw new listeners into the fold. It’s hard to tell how much of my affection for “Act III” is drawn from nostalgia for a simpler time these days though because those were certainly exciting years for the two of us as we discovered an endless run of classic metal releases in such a short period & would share the experience between us a lot of the time which brought us closer together. Still... going into this latest revisit I was fully expecting to be dishing out a solid four-star rating based on my memories of a strong & creative offering. Let’s see how that assumption stacked up now, shall we?

Where “Frolic Through The Park” was very much a failed attempt to break away from your standard thrash metal model, “Act III” sees Death Angel returning with a better understanding of what they were trying to achieve, this time giving the same concept a much better crack. The production & musicianship are excellent & the song-writing is more fluent & fully developed. While “Act III” is still very much a thrash metal album, it often doesn’t “feel” like one as it sees the band branching out into several disparate subgenres to great effect with funk/alternative metal & acoustic rock being the most prominent new directions. The vast majority of the tracks include riffs that clearly utilize the thrash template though which never lets you forget who you’re listening to. It’s a very consistent record with no weak tracks to speak of & Oseguado seems to have finally found his niche from a vocal perspective as I find him much more easily swallowed on this occasion. The lead guitar work is excellent too which is always a good thing for someone like me.

Opener “Seemingly Endless Time” is the fan favourite & with good reason as it’s a wonderfully catchy thrasher that kicks things off well. Interestingly though, it’s the funky alternative metal tracks “Discontinued” & album highlight “Stagnant” that I find to be the other standouts with Death Angel proving themselves to possess an uncanny knack for stretching their creative boundaries & writing catchy vocal hooks, often supported by well-placed gang vocals. Even the two ballads "Veil of Deception" & "A Room With a View" are pretty decent inclusions that I never feel like skipping. That being said though, I consistently found myself reaching out for that four-star rating I assumed I’d ultimately achieve this week but I never quite managed to grab onto it. At the end of the day, I just couldn’t find enough timeless metal classics to get it over the line, instead being left feeling generally positive without being overly enthused. This left me wondering if I’d simply overrated “Act III” back in the day due to the fact that I found it to be their most appealing album to the time & really wanted to love Death Angel like most thrashers.

I’m not sure about that but what I am sure about is that “Act III” is still Death Angel’s most complete record, even if I can see why some of your more hardened thrash fans might struggle with it a bit. I guess it’s saying something about my limited passion for the band that I can’t get my favourite Death Angel album up to a four-star rating but I think that’s an accurate reflection of where I sit with them actually. The Bay Area bands seemed to inevitably garner big props from the global scene but I’m not sure it was always based on merit with some of those artists not being any better than many others from around the globe. For those with a taste for a slightly different take of the Bay Area model though, I'd recommend having a bit of patience with "Act III" as there's some gold to be found if you can accept its conscious diversity.

3.5/5

November 10, 2023 07:03 PM

OK, it's time to kick-off a new record in the 1971 debut album from Welsh trio Budgie which is arguably the heaviest of their 1970's releases. What do you think about opening track "Guts"? Metal or not?



It's certainly pretty heavy for the time but I'd suggest that it's more of a stoner rock tune than a metal one personally. It combines the influences of Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin & Jimi Hendrix to great effect.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.


https://metal.academy/hall/438

November 10, 2023 12:14 PM

Flotsam & Jetsam - "When The Storm Comes Down" (1990)

I purchased a cassette copy of the third album from these Arizona thrash metal legends shortly after release after having been a fan of Flotsam & Jetsam's 1986 debut album "Doomsday for the Deceiver" & (to a lesser extent) their 1988 sophomore album "No Place for Disgrace" during the previous year. I quite liked it too but it seems to have gone on to be known as somewhat of a disappointment by fans over time. That seems a little bit harsh in retrospect because "When The Storm Comes Down" is quite a serviceable thrash metal album as far as I can see. I can only assume that it's the slightly weak production job & the fact that it's more of a mid-paced thrash release than the band's first two records were that are the points of contention. Still... I'd argue that it doesn't sound all that different to the more highly regarded Testament & (particularly) Anthrax records of the time, only Eric AK's higher register voice sits somewhere between Rush's Geddy Lee & Dream Theater's James LaBrie rather than in a traditional thrash metal range. My opinion hasn't changed on this one. It's certainly a step down from the debut but I actually don't think it sits too far behind the often overrated "No Place for Disgrace" if I'm being honest so I can't understand the flack it cops at times.

3.5/5

November 09, 2023 06:51 PM

And finally, Lucifer's Friend's title track. Metal or not?



It sits somewhere between hard rock & heavy psych for mine which leaves my overall result at just the one genuine metal song on "Lucifer's Friend" & an emphatic "No!" as far as qualification for Metal Academy goes. Anyone come to a different result?

November 09, 2023 12:07 PM

Celtic Frost - "Vanity/Nemesis" (1990)

The Swiss thrash legends returned from their disastrous 1988 glam metal experiment "Cold Lake" with a record that saw them retreating to the chunky mid-tempo extreme metal of their heyday, at least for half of the run time. The other half of the record sees them further examining a more traditional heavy metal sound but with only mixed results it has to be said. Thomas Gabriel Warrior's vocal delivery is still showing the remnants of his failed commercial venture but the guitar tone he'd built his reputation on is certainly there. Unfortunately the quality of the song-writing is a bit hit & miss though which leaves "Vanity/Nemesis" in the inessential space, even if there's definitely enough to keep me interested in the occasional nostalgia session like this one.

3.5/5

Here's another example of Metallica pushing the boundaries into plagiarism. Check out he repeated lead guitar motif that starts at 5:42 of Black Sabbath's "Fairies Wear Boots" & compare it to the one that comes in at 1:17 of Metallica's "For Whom The Bell Tolls" & see what you think.




November 08, 2023 07:24 PM

How about "In the Time of Job When Mammon Was a Yippie"? I've got it down as hard rock personally.



unlike Daniel, I actually see this record as being closer to traditional heavy metal (or at the very least, early proto-black metal bands like Bathory) and the truly black metal elements serve more as window dressing.

Quoted Saxy S

See, I don't disagree that the black metal elements are simply layered over the top of instrumentation that's borrowed from other genres. In fact, that's pretty much what I said above, isn't it? Perhaps the difference of opinion here is that I don't think early Bathory had much to do with "heavy metal". If we're getting very specific then I'd suggest that Bathory's self-titled album is a blackened speed metal record but it was close enough to the final product be claimed as the first proper black metal release as far as I'm concerned.

If we look at "Veryumnus Caesar" on a track by track basis then it'd look something like this for mine:


1. Symphonic prog

2. Blackened speed metal

3. Black/heavy metal

4. Black 'n' roll

5. Symphonic prog/avant-garde metal

6. Avant-garde/black/speed metal

7. Blackened speed metal

8. Progressive black metal


Now, that's just my take on things but I don't see heavy metal listed often enough in that list to make it a primary genre. Although it's clearly not your traditional black metal album, I'm not seeing a more logical way to tag this record as there's simply too much jumping around & it's those black metal elements that tie it all together. Anyone got any other ideas?

One of the rare examples of early 70's heavy metal not to come from Black Sabbath. This one is taken from Brooklyn four-piece Sir Lord Baltimore's 1971 self-titled sophomore album.

Check this out for a very early example of stoner metal.

November 08, 2023 12:21 PM

Obliveon - "From The Day Forward" (1990)

A highly complex technical thrash metal debut album from my tape-trading days in the early 1990's. It's a shame the production isn't stronger as this could have been a pretty special release if it had a bit more energy & grunt behind it in the sound quality department. Even so, it's still a very solid & consistent record without any major blemishes. It sounds very much like Coroner meets Kreator which can't be a bad thing either.

4/5


Here's my updated Top Ten Technical Thrash Metal Releases of All Time list with Vektor's "Outer Isolation" being the unlucky one to make way for Obliveon:


01. Coroner – “Mental Vortex” (1991)

02. Sadus – “A Vision Of Misery” (1992)

03. Coroner – “No More Color” (1989)

04. Cryptic Shift – “Visitations From Enceladus” (2020)

05. Ripping Corpse - "Dreaming With The Dead" (1991)

06. Obliveon - "From This Day Forward" (1990)

07. Toxik – “World Circus” (1987)

08. Destruction - "Cracked Brain" (1990)

09. Аспид – “Кровоизлияние” (1993)

10. Coroner – “Punishment For Decadence” (1988)


https://metal.academy/lists/single/173

November 08, 2023 12:04 PM

Here's my updated Top Ten Crossover Thrash Releases of All Time list which has seen Suicidal Tendencies' "Lights Camera Revolution" dropping out after this week's revisit:


01. Slaughter - "Surrender Or Die" demo (1985)

02. S.O.D. – “Speak English or Die” (1985)

03. Depression - "Australia, Australia" E.P. (1985)

04. Agnostic Front – “Cause For Alarm” (1986)

05. Cryptic Slaughter – “Convicted” (1986)

06. The Accused – “The Return Of… Martha Splatterhead” (1986)

07. Agnostic Front – “Liberty & Justice For…” (1987)

08. Ratos de Porão - "Brasil" (1989)

09. Attitude Adjustment – “American Paranoia” (1986)

10. Crumbsuckers – “Life Of Dreams” (1986)

November 08, 2023 12:02 PM

Suicidal Tendencies - "Lights Camera Revolution" (1990)

After recently discovering that I've been overrating Suicidal Tendencies' 1988 third album "How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today" for several decades now, I felt that I'd better drop by my supposed "favourite" crossover thrash record ever in 1990's "Lights Camera Revolution" to see if I've been affording it the same sort of misguided nostalgia. It turns out that I have been too which has frustrated me a bit. Whenever I've thought about "Lights Camera Revolution" I've been inclined to go straight to the two clear highlight tracks in classic opener "You Can't Bring Me Down" & thrashtastic up-tempo number "Disco's Out, Murder's In" but there's a fair whack of filler scattered across the tracklisting too, not to mention the major flaw which is Mike Muir's completely incompetent vocals which struggle to meet anything like the key of the instrumentation most of the time. Thankfully the exciting guitar work of Rocky George & Mike Clark is exceptional which still makes this Suicidal Tendencies' best work but it's just not nearly as strong as I'd made it out to be over the years. It's also not a crossover thrash record as most people seem to claim as there's next to no hardcore influence here. It's a genuine thrash metal release in my opinion although there are bits of heavy metal & alternative metal floating around too. Overall, I find "Lights Camera Revolution" to be worth a couple of listens but it's far from essential as it simply doesn't contain the substance of a "Seasons In The Abyss" or a "Coma Of Souls".

3.5/5

November 08, 2023 01:53 AM

What does everyone think of “Baby You’re A Liar”? I’ve got it down as hard rock.

I can’t provide YouTube links today as we’ve had a major internet outage in Australia & I can’t do YouTube links from my phone.


Also, I revisited Flower Travellin’ Band’s 1971 sophomore album “Satori” this morning. It’s certainly fucking heavy but there’s really only one track that I regard as being genuine metal in opener “Satori Part 1” which I consider to be an early example of stoner metal. The rest of the tracklisting is seriously psychedelic & is the benchmark for heavy psych in my opinion. I’m suggesting that we move past this release but are open to it if others want us to investigate it.

November 07, 2023 11:29 AM

By the way, the Hall of Judgement entry for “Deep Purple In Rock” is now sitting at 3-4, presumably off the back of our latest review.

November 07, 2023 02:42 AM

I checked out Thin Lizzy’s 1971 self-titled debut album this morning too & there’s nothing even slightly resembling metal there, although I did get the feeling that a young Judas Priest might have been influenced by the beautifully organic guitar tone. Boy, Thin Lizzy were a classy & creative rock band though. It’s definitely worth a few listens.

I hadn't heard this generally overlooked release before but it ended up really surprising me. It essentially offers a dreary (in a good way) brand of doom metal with tense violins & female vocals. The vocals are probably the weaker link & limit how far my scoring could go but there's a nice atmosphere on display & I couldn't help but become engaged. Opening track "Sexual Collateral" is decent enough but the remaining two songs step things up to a really solid level which sees my claiming "Swans Trapped in Ice" as an excellent feature release nomination. Well done Morpheus.

4/5

November 06, 2023 07:01 PM

I checked out Sir Lord Baltimore's self-titled 1971 sophomore album yesterday &, much like their debut "Kingdom Come", found it to offer just the one track that I regard as being genuine metal. The rest sits mainly in the hard rock space so I'd suggest that we skip "Sir Lord Baltimore" unless anyone is aware of it & feels very strongly about us including it.