Daniel's Forum Replies

Not at this stage Sonny but I'm sure the label could be convinced if the demand was there.

I start my new job tomorrow which of course means that I’ll be driving for at least three hours of every business day. That’s gonna give me plenty of time for listening to metal but very little for writing reviews so don’t be surprised if there’s a significant decrease in my usual quota guys.

In other news, I’ve negotiated for the Neuropath CD to go up on Spotify which is pretty fucking awesome.

October 29, 2023 11:40 PM

Sanctuary - "Into The Mirror Black" (1990)

I’ve certainly heard bits & pieces of Seattle US power metal outfit Sanctuary over the years but strangely haven’t ever felt like committing to a full release up until now. Perhaps that’s an indication that nothing I’d heard from them previously had impressed me enough to warrant it? That could be the case but I tend to believe it’s just been a mixture of laziness & coincidence. Anyway, I thought I’d start with Sanctuary’s most widely celebrated record in their 1990 sophomore album “Into The Mirror Black” given that Ben gave it a rave review many years ago.

“Into The Mirror Black” is certainly a consistent record as Sanctuary don’t appear to be capable of delivering anything particularly subpar. Theirs is quite a simple version of heavy metal though with the riffs not being terribly complex & the song-writing relying heavily on theatrical front man Warrel Dane to bring it all home for them. His style has always left me in two minds though if I’m being honest. I do really dig those Rob Halford-esque shrieks but then I’m not entirely onboard at other times, particularly when he heads a little too close to King Diamond territory as only the King seems to get away with that stuff in my house.

Sanctuary are certainly well suited to the US power metal tag as they seem to fit the subgenre description to a tee given that their sound is essentially a chunkier, thrashier take on heavy metal with theatrical higher-register vocals, never actually touching on full-blown thrash metal though. I’m just not sure that “Into the Mirror Black” is the best example of the movement if I’m being honest. Despite there not being any weak tracks included, I struggle to identify any songs that nail their hooks well enough to see them reaching transcendent levels of jubilation. Instead, the better material seems to hover in that “very solid” space with the remainder of the album consistently achieving a frustrating “quite good” mark, despite the clear potential Sanctuary offer. I even gave the album a full four listens to give it the chance to dig its teeth in but it couldn’t quite manage to breach my defences. The thrashier & more exciting tracks in the back end of the tracklisting were where I was most successful with “Seasons of Destruction” & “Communion” being my clear picks of the bunch.

At the end of the day, I don’t think “Into The Mirror Black” will disappoint too many people. It’s an admirable US power metal record with high quality production & performances after all. It just doesn’t really compete with Dane & bassist Jim Sheppard’s later band Nevermore in my opinion so I can’t say that I find it to be as essential as many claim it to be. If you go absolutely nuts for bands like Helstar or Metal Church then you’ll no doubt disagree with me but I’m sure you’re all aware by now that I call ‘em like I see ‘em.

3.5/5

I think it's too accurate to be classed as inspiration personally. I'd suggest that (intentionally or subconsciously) it's likely an example of plagiarism.


Here's another one that I find hard to believe can be coincidental:



Both albums were released in 1973 but I'm led to believe that the Vanusa one came first.

October 29, 2023 08:52 PM

How about "I Got A Woman"? Metal or not? Subgenre?



I've got it down as a blues rock/heavy psych hybrid.

October 29, 2023 10:19 AM

Blind Guardian - "Tales From The Twilight World" (1990)

Most of our regulars will likely be aware that German legends Blind Guardian are one of the rare European power metal exponents that I can generally tolerate. In fact, I can confidently say that I've enjoyed everything I've heard from them to date which includes 1992's "Somewhere Far Beyond", 1994's "Imaginations From the Other Side", 1998's "Nightfall in Middle-Earth" & 2003's "Live". It only makes sense that I complete the full set of their essential releases though so I recently decided to add their 1990 "Tales From The Twilight World" third album to the list in the hope of similarly positive experiences. Unfortunately, that hasn't really eventuated though.

"Tales From The Twilight World" is known as Blind Guardian's first true power metal record after their first two studio efforts were directed more towards speed metal. Don't kid yourself though, there's still plenty of speed metal on offer here as the European brand of power metal is pretty much built on the stuff but there's comfortably enough anthemic epicness to warrant the album's power metal claim. And that goes a long way to explaining my struggles with this record too to tell you the truth. Blind Guardian's later material offered significantly more maturity than this album can muster. Instead, their third full-length reminds me a lot of their less appealing German peers in that the performances & musicianship are high class but the hooks are often lacklustre & cheesy, particularly the backing vocals which regularly see me wincing.  It's really only short instrumental "Weird Dreams" & album highlight "Goodbye My Friend" that offer me much in the way of enjoyment here which is disappointing after having experienced a record of the quality of "Imaginations From the Other Side".

"Tales From The Twilight World' is comfortably the weakest Blind Guardian record I've heard to date but I don't even try to deny that I'm not its target audience either. There's no doubt that it'll offer a lot more appeal to people that bow down & worship at the feet of Eurpean bands like Helloween & Gamma Ray but I'm not gonna kid anyone that that's me.

3/5

October 29, 2023 05:44 AM


I didn’t reject any argument for Lucifer’s Friend Morpheus. You said it wasn’t a metal release & I took your word for it as I haven’t heard it. I was also conscious that RYM has a largely negative vote tally for "Lucifer's Friend" which isn't the case for "Budgie" so was looking for some sort of justification. I’m perfectly happy to include it if you think it’s justified.

Quoted Daniel

I was kind of throwing it over to everyone else's judgment as considerable debate amount it and it might be interesting to discuss.

Quoted Morpheus Kitami

Morpheus, I thought it'd be worth me giving "Lucifer's Friend" a few listens this week in order to see what we're dealing with & would subsequently suggest that it's much more of a hard rock/heavy psych record than a metal one. It's only got about one & a half songs worth of metal in my opinion but it's probably worth noting that I said exactly the same thing about "Deep Purple in Rock" which seems pretty similar in terms of metal content to be honest. In fact, Lucifer's Friend sound a lot like Deep Purple on this album which is a fucking great record too just quietly.


The Half-Life track was released around six months earlier than "Paranoid". You be the judge.

The very roots of our beloved metal genre have an air of plagiarism hanging over them actually with the undeniable classic of a doom riff from the original metal song "Black Sabbath" having been derived as a variation on a section of this classical piece that was written between 1914 & 1917. Check out the part at 4:30 in "Mars, The Bringer Of War" that Geezer Butler played to Tony Iommi back in the day & compare it to Sabbath's title track.




Personally I feel that it's much more appropriate to call that inspiration than anything like plagiarism as the two have such different timbres. Thoughts?

October 28, 2023 07:33 PM

How about the title track from "Kingdom Come"? Metal or not? Subgenre?



An easy one. Pure Sabbath-inspired stoner metal. Sounds very different to the rest of the album.

Mercyful Fate's 1983 progressive metal classic "Satan's Fall" is a really interesting one because you can both pick up Fate's influences but can also see their influence on others pretty clearly.



Let's start with the opening riff & compare it with the opening riff from Led Zeppelin's 1970 classic "Immigrant Song". Fate’s label was pushing them to cover “Immigrant Song” & they apparently did record it at some point but it was later decided not to release it for some reason. You would have to think that given the evidence here that cover version has contributed to what could only be described as plagiarism. 



Then "Satan's Fall" moves into a riff that should sound unnervingly familiar to Slayer fans at 0:42. You probably can’t count how many Slayer riffs have been created from the dark harmonized melodies in this riff alone. In fact, it was probably the darkest & heaviest riff in metal history to that time & there’s also another chuggier riff at 3:24 that oozes of that imposing Slayer sound too. The "Melissa" album was clearly the biggest influence on Slayer’s darker & more progressive second album “Hell Awaits” following their more NWOBHM influenced debut “Show No Mercy”.

They transition into a quite progressive melodic riff at 1:10 that reeks of 90’s Death to my ears. I’m certain this is no coincidence as Chuck Schuldiner was a big fan of the band.

Things break down after that with guitar coming in with an accompanied tremolo picked melodic riff at 1:40 that sounds exactly like something that Emperor or Mayhem might have used in the early 90’s. The only difference is that those bands would have utilized modern blast beats to milk this riff for a longer duration than Fate have here. It was certainly amongst the darkest & most evil moments in metal history to the time though & the King’s contribution during that section highlights what the black metal movement would be all about.

Then finally we see an unaccompanied guitar riff at 2:19 that sounds exactly like it was pulled from an Autopsy record. It’s even got a similarly unusual guitar sound which would now seem to have been a strong influence on the death metal pioneers from the evidence presented to us here. The thrashy onslaught at 8:13 is reminiscent of more extreme bands like Possessed & early Morbid Angel too only Fate proceed to add harmonies & head into a section that was clearly heavily influenced by Iron Maiden. 

There's simply so much to unpack in this song. It's such a fantastic discussion point.

October 27, 2023 06:20 PM

How about "Pumped Up" then? Metal or not? What subgenre?



It's certainly got a lot of rock 'n' roll electricity about it & I'd imagine that some of that intensity has fooled a few punters into thinking it's a metal song in a similar way to Deep Purple's "Speed King". "Pumped Up" is just hard rock on steroids though in my opinion. It sounds very much like the more potent Led Zeppelin moments with the lead guitar work being centred around Jimi Hendrix.

Flower Travellin' Band - Anywhere
I'm somewhat perplexed by Flower Travellin' Band's apparent metal status, they really sound more like generic jam band from what I've heard. Really, if you want to hear something good from Japan at this time you'd probably be better off watching the Stray Cat Rock film series, or uh...Hausu. Yeah, watch Hausu, that'll give you some dreams. Stray Cat Rock is probably better for getting a grasp of what music they liked back then since that was popular, for a year or so. Has a nice wideth of music, unfortunately the only ones I remember were some Deep Purple-esque band and a group that for some reason the lead actress was singing for in the movie.
Anyway, Anywhere isn't terribly interesting musically. I mean the actual cover parts are okay, but for example let's use the song you probably haven't heard of as an example, Louisiana Blues by Muddy Waters. The original is according to a quick Youtube search, 2:55. This cover? 15:46. Basically the actual song, 12 minutes of decent but not great jamming, then the song again. They're not terribly special as covers, so there's not much to actually talk about.

Quoted Morpheus Kitami

I disagree on this one. I'm a big fan of Flower Travellin' Band's sophomore album "Satori" but hadn't heard "Anywhere" until now. God, I wish I hadn't waited so long because I really fucking connected with it. Flower Travellin' Band are almost impossible to categorize as they simply cover so much territory but do it with so much authenticity & electricity that, if you didn't know any better, you'd imagine that they'd spent a lifetime in each of the genres they cover. They remind me of countrymen Boris in that way & I'm sure there's a lot of inspiration & influence there. "Anywhere" isn't a metal album. If I had to describe it I'd probably label it as a heavy psych/jam band record. The cover version of "Black Sabbath" is certainly metal though & is as doomy as all fuck. It's definitely an earlier example of traditional doom metal.

We’re in disagreement once again here Andi. I don’t think Riot made a genuine metal record until 1981’s “Fire Down Under”.


Even though they're better at hard rock, Deep Purple proved that they can really bring out the fantasy vibes through rock long before symphonic prog or any fantasy genres of rock and metal ever existed.

Quoted Rexorcist

Have you heard their 1969 "Concerto for Group & Orchestra" live album? It's basically a symphonic prog concerto in my opinion.

October 27, 2023 03:29 AM

It’s the added complexity in the arrangements & song-structures as well as the cold, angry atmosphere. It also helps that it’s a thrash riff masterclass with all four band members at the absolute peak of their powers from a performance & musicianship perspective.

By the way, you can hear Blackmore using sweep-picking at the end of “April” which is pretty astounding given that it was still only 1969.

October 27, 2023 12:05 AM

My Top Ten Metal Release of the 1980's list:


01. Slayer - "Reign In Blood" (1986)

02. Metallica - "...And Justice For All" (1988)

03. Morbid Angel - "Altars of Madness" (1989)

04. Slayer - "South of Heaven" (1988)

05. Metallica - "Master of Puppets" (1986)

06. Sepultura - "Beneath the Remains" (1989)

07. Exodus - "Bonded by Blood" (1985)

08. Faith No More - "The Real Thing" (1989)

09. Iron Maiden - "Somewhere in Time" (1986)

10. Godflesh - "Streetcleaner" (1989)


https://metal.academy/lists/single/262

October 26, 2023 11:55 PM

Psychotic Waltz - "A Social Grace" (1990)

How I’ve managed to overlook San Diego progressive metallers Psychotic Waltz up until now is anyone’s guess because their 1990 debut album is a very impressive effort to say the least. “A Social Grace” harnesses outstanding musicianship & some highly complex arrangements to create over an hour of seriously classy metal music that lacks nothing in the heaviness department either. Fans of 1980’s Fates Warning should immediately get onboard this ship as there are close similarities however I’d suggest that Psychotic Waltz are a touch heavier with their sound further indulging in the chunkier end of the US power scene more consistently.

Front man Buddy Lackey takes a theatrical & operatic approach that often sounds quite a bit like Iron Maiden/Samson legend Bruce Dickinson. He does a pretty reasonable job at navigating Psychotic Waltz’s rhythmic technicalities & ensures that none of the thirteen tracks included could be considered as weak or filler. There’s a noticeable lack of memorable vocal hooks though & it’s this absence that sees the appeal of “A Social Grace’ being capped at around that four-star mark. The instrumentation is often nothing short of dazzling but I can’t say that I can remember much of the song-writing afterwards & that can be the difference between good & great when it comes to progressive music a lot of the time as it clearly is here.

Still… you’ll do well to find a more capable & professional example of early progressive metal than this one. It’s right up there with the best material that had been released to the time in my opinion & I’d probably take it over Fates Warning’s more well known classics like “The Spectre Within” or “Awaken The Guardian” to be honest.

4/5


Sonny & Rex, I reckon you might dig this one.

Check out the similarities between the Diamond Head riff at 1:24 in 1980's "Am I Evil?" & the riff at 0:23 in Mercyful Fate's "Black Masses" from 1983. Plagiarism or coincidence?



This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement:


https://metal.academy/hall/432

https://metal.academy/hall/433

Deep Purple - Deep Purple
Oh, hey, Deep Purple again. Three in a row. And the last album with Rod whatever his last name is. I'll be sad to see him go even if the band has matured. I don't have anything to say about this one, it's basically just a generic lump of rock I have no thoughts or real feelings on.

Quoted Morpheus Kitami

Personally, I find "Deep Purple" to be another highly creative record that traverses a whole array of different sounds. I'd probably tag it as another psychedelic/progressive rock release with a noticeable blues rock influence & very little in the way of genuine hard rock.

October 26, 2023 07:02 PM

I'm not sure anyone else has heard it Morpheus but if it's been such a divisive release at Metal Archives then let's include it as our next record to investigate.


How about " Lake Isle of Innersfree" then? Metal or not? What subgenre?



It's certainly not metal & I'd also suggest that it's not a pop song of any description. I'm gonna go for chamber folk.


I was more impressed with than album than most people.  Even though they're better at hard rock, Deep Purple proved that they can really bring out the fantasy vibes through rock long before symphonic prog or any fantasy genres of rock and metal ever existed.  It was a very "vibes" album from what I remember.  And yeah, the prog wasn't always the MOST creative as it had been done more well before, but I kinda believe that the first two real prog bands were Moody Blues and Deep Purple, and this was one of those albums that helped cement it before King Crimson came into the picture (and coined the term).

Quoted Rexorcist

To be fair, it’s really only the B side that’s progressive. The A side sits in a similar psychedelic rock space as their debut.


That one will be coincidence as the guitarists are just playing the same hammer/pull-off & descending down the string a fret at a time. It’s a pretty easy thing to come up with really so I wouldn’t think there’s a much of a connection. Good pickup though.

Deep Purple - The Book of Taliesyn

A much more proggy album from the same lineup as the last album. Feels a lot more interesting to see Deep Purple doing this rather than the bizarre selection of covers from last time. That said, this album doesn't really feel much like a Deep Purple album a good deal of the time. It's just really that Hammond organ giving that distinct Deep Purple flavor and even then it isn't always the tone setter it should be.
The whole epic fantasy premise the cover promises doesn't quite land. The opening track, which I've linked, does, doing a very nice energetic and dynamic song that the rest of the album just fails to live up to. A lot of this just feels like some generic rock music you'd use in a movie or a game because you couldn't get a real song. It's not outright awful, but I can't really remember most of it after the album finishes playing. Except Kentucky Woman. I hate Kentucky Woman, but that's less because it's necessarily bad but more because I remember when people overplayed the absolute hell out of that song, other covers don't give me that same viscera hatred.

Quoted Morpheus Kitami


I just gave this album a couple of spins. I agree with you that it's more progressive than "Shades of Deep Purple". Despite what people may say, there's still no hard rock or heavy psych here though. I'd go with a dual tagging of psychedelic rock & progressive rock.

Yeah, I agree. The performances were also pretty terrible to be honest. I'd suggest that Metallica did plagiarize it while feeling fairly safe in the assumption that no one was ever likely to hear the original. We all know that Lars was really deeply into the NWOBHM & the riffs are almost identical so it would seem too coincidental not to have some concrete connection.

Deep Purple - "Shades of Deep Purple" (1968)

Despite being included on Metal Archives & receiving a dual Hard Rock/Heavy Psych primary tag on RYM, Deep Purple's debut album shouldn't really qualify as anything more than your standard psychedelic rock model. There's only really one track that I'd suggest is heavy psych ("Mandrake Root") while there's bugger all hard rock to speak of. It's not a bad record though. I don't mind it.

Rory Gallagher - "Wheels Within Wheels" (2003)

October 25, 2023 08:44 PM

So Mike Portnoy is officially back in Dream Theater.


*drops bomb & runs away so as to avoid all the prog frothing that will inevitably take place following this long-awaited news*

October 25, 2023 07:41 PM

What do we think about "Lady of Fire"? Metal or not? What specific subgenre?



It's basically Jimi Hendrix style psychedelic rock that's been pumped up to eleven with some psychotic lead guitar work. I'll go with heavy psych on this one. Does anyone else hear the chorus of Deep Purple's "Woman From Tokyo" in the guitar melody that comes in directly after the chorus?

October 25, 2023 07:25 PM

Mercyful Fate - "The Beginning" (1987)

I know I'll likely be in the extreme minority here when I tell you that the first release I purchased from legendary Danish heavy metal icons Mercyful Fate was this 1987 compilation back in the early 1990's. It brings together the band's very strong 1982 self-titled debut E.P. with three alternative versions of tracks taken from their 1983 "Melissa" album that were recorded for the BBC's "The Friday Rock Show" & the B-side from the "Black Funeral" single. It also succeeds in its intent due to the very high quality of everything the band attempt.

I've always rated the self-titled E.P. very highly. In fact, I place it a cut above Mercyful Fate's widely celebrated sophomore album "Don't Break The Oath" these days which is saying something. "Melissa" is my favourite Fate record too so I really couldn't go wrong with this material. The BBC recordings are well produced with the versions of "Curse Of The Pharaoh" & "Satan's Fall" being particularly strong. The B-side "Black Masses" suffers a little in the production department but still possesses that classic Mercyful Fate aura which gives it enough appeal to make it interesting too. The highlight is undoubtedly "A Corpse Without Soul" from the E.P. though as it's one of the great heavy metal anthems from the early 80's.

All of the qualities you look for in a Mercyful Fate record are here in spades. The soaring vocals, the dark atmosphere, the searing solos... You can't really go wrong with "The Beginning" & it should be regarded as essential listening if you're a devotee of those first couple of Fate releases.

4/5

October 25, 2023 07:05 PM

Anthem - "Bound to Break" (1987)

I’ve been very much looking forward to investigating some more of Tokyo heavy metal four-piece Anthem’s more widely celebrated releases after thoroughly enjoying my initial experiences with their highly regarded 1989 fifth album “Hunting Time” recently so I decided to give their 1987 third full-length “Bound To Break” a crack this week. It features a slightly different lineup with Eizo Sakamoto handling the microphone duties before Yukio Morikawa had entered the fold & Sakamoto proves himself to be a talented & powerful singer with his masculine tone being a highlight of the record. As with “Hunting Time”, English producer Chris Tsangarides has produced a particularly metal sounding album here too. It feels a lot like Judas Priest’s “Defenders of the Faith” in that way. The quality of the song-writing isn’t quite as strong as “Hunting Time” though with most of the tracklisting sitting a step down from the best material on that record, despite the fact that there are no weak tracks to speak of. The best moments appear during the one-two punch of faster power metal number “Empty Eyes” & chunky heavy metal anthem “Show Must Go On!” while the progressive electronic interlude “Limited Lights” is also a welcome addition.

Anthem were clearly a force to be reckoned with back in the 1980’s & are probably the best Japanese heavy metal band I’ve heard to date but “Bound To Break” doesn’t feel as essential as “Hunting Time”. It’s not that different in its approach but it doesn’t deliver the knockout blows through powerful chorus hooks as regularly which leaves it sitting as a nice-to-have rather than a buy-or-die.

3.5/5

October 25, 2023 06:21 PM

I didn’t reject any argument for Lucifer’s Friend Morpheus. You said it wasn’t a metal release & I took your word for it as I haven’t heard it. I was also conscious that RYM has a largely negative vote tally for "Lucifer's Friend" which isn't the case for "Budgie" so was looking for some sort of justification. I’m perfectly happy to include it if you think it’s justified.

I'd actually suggest that there's a clear differentiator from your typical heavy metal record & it comes in the form of the overblown, keyboard-heavy production job which certainly gives "Bark At The Moon" a unique character but also dates it pretty badly. I find that element to be the clear takeaway from the album as it almost smothers the song-writing at times. I'm with you on the quality gap between Ozzy-era Black Sabbath & Ozzy's solo work though. Despite being a diehard Randy Rhoads disciple, I've never regarded albums like "Blizzard of Ozz", "Diary of a Madman", "Bark At The Moon" or "No Rest For The Wicked" as essential releases for your average metalhead, even though some of them may be essentials for metal guitarists like myself. Ozzy's live releases are another story though as I rate "Speak Of The Devil" & "Tribute" very highly, particularly the former which is a bit of an all-timer for me.

October 24, 2023 07:42 PM

Yeah, despite my own feelings on Budgie's metal credentials, I feel that their debut is talked about as being a metal release often enough to qualify for investigation in this thread. I recall it being the heaviest of their 1970's releases too.

October 24, 2023 07:28 PM

While we explore "Kingdom Come", I'd also like to seek nominations for the 1971 records we'll be investigating. Black Sabbath's "Master of Reality" is a given & I feel that we probably should do Budgie's self-titled debut as well given the general feeling around that record. These are the other potential candidates:


Sir Lord Baltimore - "Sir Lord Baltimore"

Flower Travellin' Band - "Satori"

Thin Lizzy - "Thin Lizzy"

Deep Purple - "Fireball"


Anyone see anything they think is definitely metal & feel strongly about there?

October 24, 2023 06:58 PM

How about "Hard Rain Fallin"? Metal or not? What subgenre is it?



There's no metal here as far as I'm concerned. It's pure hard rock.

October 24, 2023 03:19 AM

Coroner - "Death Cult" demo (1986)

The Swiss tech thrash legends began in slightly more subdued style with this four-song demo tape I picked up back in my tape trading days, mainly due to my interest in hearing a Tom G. Warrior fronted Coroner.I t's pretty well produced for an 80's thrash demo & you can hear all of the finer nuances. Stylistically we see Coroner still developing their sound with only "Spiral Dream" taking the more technical direction we'd hear on the band's debut album "R.I.P." the following year. Opener "Spectators of Sin" straddles both speed & thrash metal, the fairly flat instrumental "Aerial Combat" sits in the more complex end of traditional thrash & closer "The Invincible" (my personal favourite) alternates between slow doom metal & uptempo thrash. Warrior's vocals are the best thing about this release in my opinion but there's merit to the ambitious instrumentation too just quietly. Imagine the proggy heavy metal of Mercyful Fate, the speed/thrash of early Slayer/Destruction & the weighty grunt of Celtic Frost being topped off with some added complexity & you won't be far off the mark. "Death Cult" is one of the better European thrash demos of the 1980's in my opinion & is worth a couple of listens for fans of the band.

3.5/5

October 24, 2023 02:59 AM

Before my transition to metal I was predominantly listening to hard rock & glam metal records with my dad. Stuff like Guns 'n' Roses, The Cult, Van Halen, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, ZZ Top, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Bon Jovi, Poison, etc. Everything changed very quickly once I began high school in 1988 though as I became exposed to new people & a whole world of new music that I simply couldn't wait to explore. I basically went from being a young rocker to an obsessive death/black/grind nut in a year. I've done a lot of thinking about what the initial records that lured me over to metal were & I think I've come up with a pretty accurate timeline below.

In early 1988 I came across Motorhead's 1984 "No Remorse" double compilation album by accident more than anything else. I believe an older kid had given me a blank cassette so that I could rip him a copy of something in my collection & I accidently played it prior to copying over the top of it. I didn't know what I was listening to at the time but it didn't take me long to figure it out & I found myself really digging the unbridled intensity, particularly some of the less rocky, speed metal-oriented tracks like "Snaggletooth" & "Locomotive". I ripped the cassette before copying over it & gave it a fair flogging over the next few weeks. I came up with the idea for this thread while revisiting "No Remorse" yesterday actually.

Also in early 1988, one of my best mates in high school had an older brother that played guitar & would play us all sorts of cool stuff that we wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise. He introduced us to Judas Priest's highly divisive & seriously underrated 1986 tenth album "Turbo". As with the Motorhead compilation, this record served the purpose of a gateway between rock & metal really well given its synth-driven stadium vibe. There are a few real belters on that album & I still regard "Turbo Lover" & "Out In The Cold" as some of the finest examples of heavy metal I've ever heard still to this day. I actually think the album as a whole is pretty solid too & can't understand the flack it seems to cop.

That same mate's favourite band was Iron Maiden so I was exposed to all of their back catalogue in quick succession that year which saw me becoming somewhat of a Maiden nut myself. I'd start with purchasing 1986's "Somewhere In Time" & 1988's brand new "Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son" albums on cassette on the same day & they're still my favourite heavy metal records now. "Somewhere In Time" is the one that did (& does) it for me the most though so it's the one I want to include here. I believe I bought "Live After Death" on cassette only a couple of days later too just quietly.

The back end of 1988 would contain arguably the biggest event in my metal life. I'd notice Metallica's fourth album "...And Justice For All" sitting around number 50 on the Australian music charts a week or two after it was released & thought it sounded interesting so I sought out a dubbed cassette copy from an older school mate. I think it's fair to say that it absolutely blew me away & changed my life overnight. I simply couldn't believe what I was hearing & can distinctly remember playing the intro to the title track to Ben (who was actually only eleven at the time, not twelve) over & over as we laughed uncontrollably at the massive contrast between the sweet acoustic guitar parts & the crunching thrash metal they'd alternate between. "...And Justice For All" is still a top ten metal release for me overall & is also my favourite Metallica release.

After quickly purchasing everything Metallica had released on CD over the next couple of months, I was ready to find out what else thrash metal had to offer. I'd start by buying Megadeth's 1986 sophomore album "Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?" & 1988 third album "So Far, So Good... So What!" on cassette on the same day without having heard a second of them. I loved both of them & still do but "Peace Sells" would tear my fucking face off in a way that the follow-up couldn't quite manage so I'll go with it.

So that was the first five that converted me if I'm remembering correctly. Anthrax & Slayer were around the same time & once I discovered Slayer it was all over for me. I was all in, hook, line & sinker after that. By the end of 1989 I was obsessed with death/black/grind & starting to build up a collection that would see me beginning to tape trade more seriously shortly afterwards. 

That’s so great Xephyr. I know how long & hard you’ve been working towards that outcome so I’m very please you can put it all behind you now with a positive result.

October 23, 2023 10:48 PM

Please be advised that I have just completed the long & arduous process of removing the Atmospheric Sludge Metal subgenre from our database. The thinking was that it's really a combination of two different subgenres that reside in different clans which creates a logistical problem for us as a subgenre can only reside in one clan. Ben & I felt it made more sense to tag post-sludge metal releases with both the sludge metal & post-metal subgenres instead which is in line with how we do it for most other similar situations e.g. post-black metal, progressive metalcore, industrial death metal, etc. Any releases where you feel there isn't enough of either of those two subgenres can be actioned through the Hall of Judgement.

October 23, 2023 07:47 PM

Ok, let's kick off our investigation of Sir Lord Baltimore's 1970 debut album "Kingdom Come" with the opening track "Master Hearrtache" then. Metal or not? What subgenre?



It's a hard rock track as far as I can see. No metal to speak of here.

October 23, 2023 07:38 PM

Metallica - "Power Metal" demo (1982)

An unofficial fan-released demo that I used to have floating about back in the day which includes early versions of "Hit The Lights", "Jump In The Fire". The Mechanix" & "Motorbreath". The lineup is James Hetfield (vocals/rhythm guitar), Dave Mustaine (lead guitar), Ron McGovney (bass) & Lars Ulrich (drums). Metallica hadn't quite hit on thrash metal just yet & all of these tracks represent the less extreme inclusions from the "Kill 'Em All" album that would take the world by storm the following year. Mustaine was the clear star with his solos showcasing a fire in his belly that other bands were simply unable to match. The electric speed metal of "Hit The Lights" & the more controlled NWOBHM-inspired heavy metal of "Jump In The Fire" are clearly the standout tracks here with the other two sounding a little flat in comparison to their studio versions. With the "No Life Til Leather" demo now readily available with high-quality audio, I'd suggest that "Power Metal" is pretty inessential these days.

3/5

October 23, 2023 10:25 AM

 Motörhead - "No Remorse" compilation (1984)

An excellent double compilation album that represented my initiation with the London heavy rock icons back when I was a kid. The five or six unreleased & non-album tracks are mostly high-quality while the best-of selection is impeccable to say the least. It's an outstanding introduction to an essential player in the history of heavy music.

4/5

I don’t think there’s much in the way of psychedelia there either but those groovy down-tuned riffs you mentioned are as stoner metal as it gets in my opinion. I actually think there’s more stoner than there is heavy metal on this record.

This one’s an all-timer for me. Utterly mind-blowing.

I find this one to be a really solid track to be honest. 

October 23, 2023 01:14 AM

It would seem that everyone is comfortable that more than 40% of "Paranoid" is genuine metal thus far so I think we're fairly safe to pencil it into the chronological list of the earliest metal releases.

October 23, 2023 01:03 AM
I don't think that's correct these days to be honest. There are plenty of people that only like death/black metal or power metal or the -core genres or progressive metal & wouldn't necessarily like Black Sabbath or Metallica. I know quite a few of them actually.