Judgement Submissions

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

Thanks for submitting your vote on this one Sonny. It's seen us meet a reasonably strong consensus at YES 5 NO 0 so I'm going to pass this nomination. The release has been adjusted accordingly.

0 votes for no.  Now I know for certain: everyone here has taste when it comes to death.

I hadn't listened to this before today, but it has been on my "to do" list for a while, so I thought I would kill two birds with one stone. There are thrash and groove elements present for sure, but I don't think they are pervasive enough to appeal especially to Pit members who aren't also into industrial metal. So that's a "yes" from me.

Gave this a couple of blasts this morning and a) this is an album I haven't paid nearly enough attention to over the years and b) it contains hardly any thrash apart from the odd Slayeresque solo. I would say it owes it's existence more to Discharge than Slayer. Voted "Yes".

I've just given this album some listening and a review because I felt up to checking out one of the most experimental releases in metal. Here we have an avant-garde metal exploration through noise, funk, thrash, and circus music. I agree that there's barely any pure funk here, and I shall give your Hall entry a YES vote.

For the record, I don't consider any of those band's classic releases to be technical death metal. They're all progressive death metal records in my opinion. The incorrect use of the tech death & tech thrash tags has long been a source of annoyance for me & is one that I'd like to clear up in the Academy database at some point but have had to simply accept until such time as we have an avenue to make the required changes.

This nomination has been posted as two entries in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/467

https://metal.academy/hall/468

These two nominations have been posted in the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/464

https://metal.academy/hall/465

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/463

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/462

I've just given this album some listening and a review to expand my progressive death metal knowledge, and there is certainly a lot of progressiveness. I also find some technicality within the shredding and soloing that explore flamenco/neoclassical-style territory. It's almost like a more brutal Persefone on steroids! So this Hall entry shall be granted a YES vote from me.

There's very little doubt that Kostnatění's very solid sophomore album is a black metal release however I would argue that there's enough of a focus on presenting the genre in the most unusual fashion possible that it should qualify as Avant-Garde Metal too. The Deathspell Omega influence is obvious throughout & I can see a decent chunk of your more traditional black metal audience simply not being up to the dissonance & experimentation on offer here. For that reason, I'd like to see 'Úpal' added to The Infinite under the Avant-Garde Metal genre on top of its existing position in The North.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/459

Trhä - "Av◊ëlajnt◊ë£ hinnem nihre" E.P. (2023)

This little E.P. sees Trhä presenting the traditional raw black metal model in a truly bizarre format with strange sounding Japanese folk melodies layered over the top for an off-putting & often quite sickly effect. It sounds avant-garde as fuck to me personally so I feel that it should rightly sit in The Infinite under the Avant-Garde Metal tag on top of its Black Metal tagging in The North.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/458

Although Yuyoyuppe's latest release contains a fair chunk of deathcore instrumentation, I really think that linking this Kawaii metal stuff to The Revolution is a stretch as I can't see metalcore fans connecting with it. Instead, I'd suggest that it sits much more comfortably amongst the other hybrid genres under The Gateway so I'd like to see "SICK" being added to that clan under the Alternative Metal genre.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement. If this poll is successful then I'll be taking the liberty of conducting another to have "SICK" removed from The Revolution.

https://metal.academy/hall/457

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/456

This one seems pretty obvious to me. In fact, I'd suggest that the only reason that 'Deathrace King' doesn't already qualify for inclusion in The Horde is because people are fighting over whether it's better suited to conventional death metal or melodic death metal. Personally, I think there's more conventional death metal here which makes the album predominantly a death/thrash release with melodic death metal, groove metal & speed metal influences. Therefore, I'd like to see the record be added to The Horde under the Death Metal (Conventional) genre.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/455

I hadn't really thought of 666 International as an avant-garde metal album. But realizing the high amount of unorthodox percussion and keyboards and overall experimentation there, I think you're right, Daniel. I'll give that entry a YES vote.

With a unanimous YES 5 NO 0 vote tally thus far, I've decided to pass this Hall of Judgement nomination as it's clear that it's only going one way & I completely agree with the consensus. The database has been changed to remove the Gothic Metal genre from the release.

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/453

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/452

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/450

This nomination has just been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/449

This nomination has just been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/448

This nomination has just been posted in the Hall of Judgement Andi.

https://metal.academy/hall/447

This nomination has just been posted in the Hall of Judgement Andi.

https://metal.academy/hall/446

Here's how I tagged the album as a point of difference:

01. Misery - Alternative metal

02. Believer - Sludge metal

03. Survive - Alternative metal

04. All of Nothing - Alternative metal

05. Denial - Alternative metal

06. Assassinate The Scars - Death metal

07. Recession - Sludge metal

08. Living Wreck - Sludge metal

09. Humiliation - Sludge metal

10. Outro - Dark ambient

The tracks that I've tagged as Alternative Metal sound pretty much exactly like Deftones only with sludge metal vocals. There's only one death metal riff on the whole album in my opinion so I don't think there's any place for it in The Horde. Even the vocals aren’t death growls. They’re in the hardcore style we regularly hear in sludge metal & metalcore. I don't hear any groove metal riffs to speak of.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/442

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/441

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/440

Although Death Angel's 'Act III' third album often plays with different subgenres like funk metal, alternative metal & acoustic rock, it still maintains its incisive thrash metal riffage on the majority of tracks. There's not really a track that I regard as being 'heavy metal' per se so I can't see why people would want to tag the album as such. For that reason, I'd like to see 'Act III' removed from The Guardians & the Heavy Metal genre while maintaining its position in The Pit under Thrash Metal.

https://metal.academy/hall/439

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/438

Malokarpatan's brand new 'Vertumnus Caesar' album is generally tagged as a black/heavy metal hybrid but I feel that's inaccurate as it's not a 'heavy metal' record per se. Malokarpatan use black metal vocals & aesthetics as the basis for their sound & then layer them over the top of a whole range of different genres including symphonic prog, speed metal, heavy metal, black 'n' roll, thrash metal, avant-garde metal & progressive metal so 'Vertumnus Caesar' is really hard to pigeon-hole but I feel pretty strongly that it shouldn't be in The Guardians. I'd suggest that leaving them solely under Black Metal (Conventional) might be the best approach as that element is the only common denominator across the tracklisting & I think adding the album to The Pit or The Infinite would be a stretch. On that note, I'd like to see the Malokarpatan's 'Vertumnus Caesar' removed from The Guardians whilst remaining in The North.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/437

Despite the common feeling that Deceased...'s highly regarded 1997 third album is a death/thrash record, I really struggle to find much in the way of genuine death metal on it. Even the vocals sound more like Venom front man Cronos than they do your classic death grunt. To my ears 'Fearless Undead Machines" is a straight thrash metal record so I'd like to see it removed from The Horde & the Death Metal genre.

I've added this nomination to the Hall of Judgement for your opinions:

https://metal.academy/hall/436

I've just added these two nominations to the Hall of Judgement:

https://metal.academy/hall/434

https://metal.academy/hall/435

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https://metal.academy/hall/432

https://metal.academy/hall/433

I don’t think there’s much in the way of psychedelia there either but those groovy down-tuned riffs you mentioned are as stoner metal as it gets in my opinion. I actually think there’s more stoner than there is heavy metal on this record.

Having just revisited this Queensryche album, I honestly still hear metal in some other songs besides those two highlights. It's also not progressive enough to deserve The Infinite clan, as only two songs "Best I Can" and "Della Brown" are highly progressive and they have much more in common with the prog-rock of Rush than the prog-metal of Dream Theater. So with Empire being a hard rock/heavy metal album to my ears with only two progressive songs, I'll vote for having it removed from The Infinite but vote against having it removed from The Guardians. Stay tuned for my revisit/review for their next album Promised Land and its possible subsequent judgement submission...

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/427

As with all of Yngwie's other vocal-led records I'm aware of, 1990's "Eclipse" is much more of a classic heavy metal release with the neoclassical elements only playing a supporting role for the majority of the run time. For that reason I'd like to see "Eclipse" removed from the Neoclassical Metal genre while remaining in the Heavy Metal one.

This nomination has been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/426

I'd rather wait and see what this one says before raising a heall, and it also depends on whether or not people include Wicked World.

As for the tagging, you forget: stoner rock and heavy psych are subgenres of hard rock.  Here's how I'd make it look RYM style.

Hard Rock

Metal, Stoner Rock, Heavy Psych, Blues Rock

This tagging is kinda condensing things, though.

The debut album from New York's Scatterbrain is generally tagged as being Funk Metal however there's really only a couple of tracks that are consistently funky enough to warrant that tag so I feel that the more generic Alternative Metal tag is far more appropriate & would like to encourage our The Gateway members to vote for that change on the release page. More importantly though, there's easily enough genuine thrash metal included to warrant a dual tagging so I'd like to propose that 'Here Comes Trouble' is added to The Pit under the Thrash Metal subgenre while maintaining its position in The Gateway.

https://metal.academy/hall/425

This nomination has now been posted in the Hall of Judgement.

https://metal.academy/hall/423

I've now posted the nomination for "Conclusion of an Age" in the Hall of Judgement. I've also passed the request for "Casting Shadows" as it now qualifies for inclusion in The Revolution.

https://metal.academy/hall/422

These nominations have been posted in the Hall of Judgement (see the below link). I've also added "Casting Shadows" to The Revolution under the Melodic Metalcore subgenre as it now qualifies for inclusion.

https://metal.academy/hall/419

https://metal.academy/hall/420

Hmm... Only "A Light in the Black" comes close to the speed of power metal. I was thinking so much of the melodicism and fantasy lyrics. It's clear that this judgement submission isn't gonna win, so please cancel it.

Some of you might certainly disagree with me on this one but to my ears, I find Extreme's 1990 album sitting comfortably in glam metal AND heavy metal. Almost every track that's not acoustic nor a ballad has metal spirit, especially in the guitar riffing and soloing performed by Nuno Bettencourt. Even in other songs with more of a hard rock and/or glam metal sound, the hard rock of AC/DC is enhanced by the guitars almost reaching the heaviness of Metallica's Black Album. So I'd like to submit Extreme's "II Pornograffitti" to the Hall to be added to The Guardians as heavy metal.

Thanks Daniel for your review on this Extreme album. I'm thanking you for that because the review reminded me of how much I needed to check out that album and find more of this band than just the acoustic radio ballad single that is "More Than Words". I can understand the lack of funk in this album when only a couple tracks have some slight funk including the aptly titled "Get the Funk Out". However, you might certainly disagree with me on this one but to my ears, I find this album sitting comfortably in glam metal AND heavy metal. Almost every track that's not acoustic nor a ballad has metal spirit, especially in the guitar riffing and soloing performed by Nuno Bettencourt, the best examples of that can be found in tracks like "Decadence Dance", "Money (In God We Trust)", and "He-Man Woman Hater". Even in other songs like "Li'l Jack Horny", "It('s a Monster)", and the title track that have more of a hard rock and/or glam metal sound, the hard rock of AC/DC is enhanced by the guitars almost reaching the heaviness of Metallica's Black Album. So while I'll give this Hall entry a YES vote to have removed from funk metal and The Gateway, I'll add in a judgement submission to have added to The Guardians with the heavy metal tag, so stay tuned for that.

Gravity Kills has always been just an industrial/alt-rock band. While their debut album is packed with guitar riffing, drum loops, synth layers, and vocal intensity, there's not much metal to offer here. I would recommend it much more to Nine Inch Nails fans than metalheads. So I'd like to submit a couple judgement submissions for Gravity Kills' 1996 debut to be removed from 1. The Gateway and 2. The Sphere, and be deemed non-metal.